The cause of the living entities illusionary bewildered existence in the material universe is due to denying their existence as an eternal servant God or Krishna.
It is because of this, the living entity only looks within the limited material energy with Godless instruments like the Large Hadron Collider for the cause and purpose of his existence.
Even then, while in the biological gross material body, the embodied living entity is only capable of viewing a small percentage of the entire material energy with such devices, which is less than 5% of the material universe known as gross matter.
The other 95% is subtle matter that is undetectable by using the 5% of known gross matter we know about. Such gross matter cannot perceive subtle matter. All gross matter is ordinary matter that makes up everything we perceive with our biological body that is also a product of gross matter. In other words, all that we see with the help of modern physics and technology is a mere 5% of material energy. Which is a drop in the ocean.
Since 2008, only a few years ago, a new technological invention has come on line called the Large Hadron Collider at CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) It was built with the aim of allowing physicists to test the predictions of different theories of particle physics and high-energy physics, and particularly prove or disprove the existence of the theorized Higgs particle (also known as the God particle) and of the large family of new particles predicted by supersymmetric theories scientists claim holds together all matter.
The Higgs particle was confirmed in 2013 but has absolutely nothing to do with identifying God as the cause of this creation; to the contrary, it has misrepresented the word God.
The Large Hadron Collider is expected to address some of the unsolved questions of physics, advancing human understanding of physical laws further than the radio, TV, mobile phones, internet, space travel etc and also find new breakthroughs in medicine. It contains seven detectors each designed for specific kinds of exploration however; such detectors will never be able to discover subtle material energy. And as far as the Spiritual energy universe is concerned, they will never discover it with such technology, not that they would want to anyway, after all, the atheistic material scientists rejected Krishna or God long, long ago and chose a material existence where they want to forever search within material existence for answers rather than trying to reestablish their original relationship with Krishna.
The Large Hadron Collider was built in collaboration with over 10,000 scientists and engineers from over 100 countries, as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories. It lies in a tunnel 27 kilometres (17 mi) in circumference, as deep as 175 metres (574 ft) beneath the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland.
This Large Hadron Collider has been designed to look at the foundation of what material energy is however, even this machine, that costs 10 billion dollars, can only search within a mere 5% of matter that is a small portion of the material energy known as gross matter. Gross matter as already explained cannot detect the other 95% of matter, which is known as subtle matter. Such a big endeavor for such little return all because these scientists are not aware there is much more to the material universe than mundane matter or gross matter reveals to us. The real mystery of the universe is there right in front of them and called ‘life’.
In this way, because we are all living entities covered by matter or material vessels, it is therefore inherent in our makeup to find the cause of life that moves matter and research the difference between life and dead matter. The scientists are simply looking in the wrong place with their Large Hadron Collider. Why? Ultimately it is because most scientists deny the existence of God and believe instead in the Big Bang as the cause of existence and the evolution of the species as the cause of our existence.
This is why there are also many physicists who inherently believe there is more to the 5% of ordinary matter or gross matter they can only perceive. After all, they can only research with the Large Hadron Collider, 5% of the material universe and all agree there is an unknown 95% of matter they cannot recognize. They have fancy names for this other 95% of material energy that they call dark energy and dark matter but have no idea what it is.
They claim the large Hadron Collider will shed light on what this unknown 95% of subtle matter is however, because the Large Hadron Collider is made of the same gross matter as the known 5% of the material universe (ordinary matter) is made of, the Large Hadron Collider will not be able to detect it.
Although it will reveal to them that the material universe’s 5% of gross matter is much bigger than what is seen via the means of biological eyes only however, as already explained, their technological extensions that are also made of gross matter, can never detect or enter the other 95% of the material universe’s subtle worlds. This only means they are looking within a very small percentage of matter.
Factually, there is only one way to view this subtle material energy and it is not through modern technology. The only way is by developing ones higher consciousness through pious activity and this can never happen without a higher understanding of the entire material universe as described in the Vedas and most importantly the instructions in the Bhagavat Purana or Srimad Bhagavatam.
Even this higher understanding of the material universe does not depend on understanding Krishna as God, after all, we came to the material universe to forget Krishna as God and He allows this because it is our desire. Krishna gives us the free will to remember Him or forget Him for a near eternity if we want.
The material universe is for such souls or living entities because they deny the existence of Krishna. For this reason Krishna gives them the intelligence or lack of spiritual intelligence to search ONLY within the limited gross or the subtle material energy. In the case of our planet it is the gross material energy however, there are so many other planets within the subtle realm also and many of them do not believe in Krishna as God also.
As already said, this is because most of those who come to the material universe do so because they reject Krishna and want to do their own thing. They do not want to know Krishna and want to find their own meaning of existence but in doing this, they limit themselves to the material energy and even then because they also do not believe in the subtle material energy or ghostly world, they limit themselves to ordinary matter or gross matter which s a mere 5% of the material creation.
So because even this gross matter is vast, the human race can search within this limited 5% of matter for nearly an eternity or they can also take birth on a planet in the subtle material worlds on a heavenly or hellish planet that take up 95% of the material universe, moving throughout all the 14 different realms of existence for as long as they continue to deny the existence of Krishna as the cause of all causes and servitude to Him as the real goal of the living entities.
Krishna has given us an enormous almost unlimited material universe to play in and concoct our own existence and make up our own purpose of existence. With technology we have discovered many means of transport and now the human race believes that the gross material Cosmos, which is all they can perceive with their biological senses, telescopes and space probes, is the final frontier. In actual fact, what they perceive with the biological eyes and its technological extensions is only the tip of the iceberg.
They have built spacecrafts, space probes, the Large Hadron Collider, Electron microscopes and the Hubble Telescope to search amongst the limited gross matter for what they call the unknown (less than 5% of the material universe). Ignorance of ones real self and purpose which is to reestablish ones servitude relationship with Krishna, is always inherent within all of us and Krishna, through His pure devotees, are continuously inviting the conditioned souls to return home, back to Godhead. The continuous denial of the real self is caused by the stubborn denial that serving Krishna or God is the real position of the living entity. The living entity wants to serve their own desires and do not want to know about God, so Krishna allows this and gives them the material universe to do whatever they want to do. Krishna does not interfere yet always has his pure devotees present just in case a living entity wants the directions to return back home, back to Godhead.
The fact is, Krishna’s laws apply throughout the gross or ordinary matter of the material universe as well as the subtle aspect of the material universe. Such laws of nature are coming from Krishna’s expansion Maha Vishnu and passed on to Lord Brahma who in turn builds both the subtle and gross aspects of the material universe. This material universe is built in the form of 14 worlds, all with different time realities where most of them are in the subtle realm of the material universe that is devoid of gross matter. Such information is found within the sacred Vedic texts
All these temporary material realities, gross and subtle, caters for all the mistaken independent desires of the living entities who have rejected Krishna as the center of loving servitude and chose to leave their real home of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana to attempt to serve their own selfish desires. All of us have originally come from Vaikuntha as Srila Prabhupada tells us.
These eternal Krishna conscious abodes are the Spiritual universe existing beyond the subtle and gross aspect of the material universe and also beyond the concept of mundane time which means there is no death, disease or the pangs of old age, life is eternal. Vaikuntha is known as a place of the ‘eternal presence’, which means it is devoid of past and future. Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana makes up ¾ of the entire creation.
On the other hand, this mundane material creation of gross and subtle material energy is temporary which means it is divide by time - past, present and future and only makes up only ¼ of the entire creation. It is a place of repeated birth, disease, old age and death.
Hare Krishna your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa
Sunday, October 13, 2013
Monday, October 7, 2013
Material scientists admit that ‘ordinary matter’ is only a very small portion of the material universe as the diagram reveals
The material scientists confess they cannot observe the entire material universe in its fullness because there is a subtle material energy they cannot detect they call dark matter and dark energy, that makes up over 95% of the material universe.
Over the last few years many modern scientist have concluded that there is a type of subtle matter in the material universe that is undetected by the instruments made of gross matter (materials made of ordinary matter) that we are familiar with in our limited view of the material universe. In fact, that ordinary matter we perceive with our biological senses (also made of ordinary matter) and their extensions like space probes, Electron microscopes and instruments like the Large Hadron Collider, only takes up 4.9% of the complete material universe according to modern scientists. This is the limited view they only have
In other words, even the material scientists know there is much more to the material cosmos than what is seen through biological eyes and their gross material extensions but have no way of detecting it. There are many Cosmologists and physicists who claim they do not know what the other 95.1% of the material universe is made of and can only refer to it as dark energy and dark matter.
As ancient scriptures like the Vedas tell us, there are two aspects to the material universe, the first feature is known as the gross material energy that we see all around us through the medium of our biological body that is also gross material energy, and the second is the subtle material energy that is also occupied by planetary systems, civilizations and living entities but is not perceived from the gross material biological platform by the material scientists.
The subtle aspect of the universe is unknown to the instruments of modern science although many people have experienced this subtle energy on a personal level; after all, all of us also have a underlining subtle material body that is further covered by the grosser biological material body which in fact moves all biological vessels in the gross material dimension of the universe taking up only 4.9% of the material creation
This gross biological covering is so thick that for most of us (except for advanced yogis, devotees and sages), blocks out our ability to perceive or acknowledge the subtle material universe that exists all around us taking up 95.1% of the material creation, therefore our so called advanced technology that we foolishly think is advanced, is only seeing a very, very small portion of the entire material universe.
Often many of those yogis and sages as well as many religions mistake this subtle material universe for the spiritual universe however, even though there are many heavenly worlds on this subtle platform where the life span is 10,000 years or more, such subtle worlds are only material and temperory. The actual Spiritual universe is beyond both the subtle and gross coverings of this transitory material universe
In Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3.31.41 Srila Prabhupada says – “We should always remember, as it is stated in Bhagavad-gita, that both the gross and subtle material bodies are dresses; they are the shirt and coat of the living entity”
The material scientists know there is something more to the material universe than what meets the eye but have not discovered the correct way to acknowledge it as yet. They have become good at analyzing a very small portion of the 4.9% of the material universe they know about on this small Earth planet, and have invented many instruments in medicine and other technologies that have greatly influenced breakthroughs in biology and technology by rearranging and manipulating this small amount of the 4.9% of the known material universe.
However, they still have not discovered the underlining subtle energy in the material universe nor the subtle individual vessels that exists as a basis within all biological species within the gross material aspect of the universe. The subtle material universe is the backdrop to the gross material universe, which cannot exist without subtle matter
The only way to truly understand this is by penance, austerity and pious activity, which sound a bit vague to most people because most people do not know enough about the subtle workings of the material universe in this age of Kali-yuga. Anyway it’s good to know that all our vast gross scientific material knowledge and technology is only exploring 4.9% of the total material universe. There is still so much more to discover in this small percentage of the material universe, what to speak of the subtle material universe and the Spiritual realm beyond that.
Ultimately the only way to understand all this is by developing higher knowledge through higher consciousness, only then can one discover what is in the other 94.9% of the material universe that is still mundane to a devotee of Krishna.
The point is, this subtle aspect of the material universe is beyond the realms of modern technology, it can never be perceived with gross material means or endeavors.
The next question is, in the subtle material universe, what are the subtle material bodily vessels made of? Srila Prabhupada tells us the subtle material body is made of mind, intelligence and ego. This answer is not very easy to understand because we are seeing everything from the gross material platform that governs this gross universe only. Such laws of nature are different in the subtle world and cannot be measured by instruments in the gross world. No material scientist can detect the subtle body of mind, intelligence and ego leaving the biological body at the time of its death.
This is where the Srimad Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts come into the picture however, this needs highly advanced devotees of Krishna to not only present this knowledge but also live it, only then will all these secrets of not only the mundane subtle material universe be known, but also the spiritual worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana, which is way beyond all the gross and subtle characteristics of the material universe.
Srila Prabhupada explains further how the gross biological and subtle bodies are material covings of the jiva soul also known as the marginal living entity which is our real individual identity
“We have got two kinds of body. One body is this gross body, and the other body is subtle body, made of mind, intelligence, and ego. So foolish person, they do not see the subtle body, but the subtle body is there.
Everyone will accept. I am working with my mind, intelligence and ego. Everyone knows. So although we cannot see the subtle body, it is there. So death means this gross body, this overcoat is left, and I am carried away by the subtle body, and I enter into another overcoat, or gross body.
So practically this is called death. Because we have no vision of the subtle body, how the soul is being transferred or transmigrating from one gross body to another gross body, keeping the subtle body intact. And the subtle body is given up when one is liberated. And at that time he goes, when he is liberated, freed from this subtle body also, at that time he is promoted to the spiritual kingdom in spiritual body.
Therefore while living in this gross body, we have to educate our subtle body in such a way that it becomes spiritualized completely.
The subtle body is mind, intelligence and ego.
So if we think of Krsna in the mind, always, and if we work intelligently for Krsna, that is mind and intelligence. And if we change our false ego, ego means, "I am." So I am at the present moment thinking, "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am white," "I am black," like that. "I am human being," "I am animal," "I am cat or dog," so many things, "I am." This "I am" has to be changed. I am eternal servant of Krsna.
In this way, if you educate or transfer the activities of the subtle body, mind, intelligence, and ego, then, at the time of death, you give up this subtle body, material subtle body, mind, intelligence, and ego, and by your spiritual body you go back to home, back to Godhead. This is called Krsna consciousness movement. Gross body, automatically we give up. Now, we should practice to give up the subtle body. To give up this subtle body, one has to develop love for God, prema. And the process is, how to give up the subtle body” Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.8
September 6, 1972, New Vrndavana.
The material scientists confess they cannot observe the entire material universe in its fullness because there is a subtle material energy they cannot detect they call dark matter and dark energy, that makes up over 95% of the material universe.
Over the last few years many modern scientist have concluded that there is a type of subtle matter in the material universe that is undetected by the instruments made of gross matter (materials made of ordinary matter) that we are familiar with in our limited view of the material universe. In fact, that ordinary matter we perceive with our biological senses (also made of ordinary matter) and their extensions like space probes, Electron microscopes and instruments like the Large Hadron Collider, only takes up 4.9% of the complete material universe according to modern scientists. This is the limited view they only have
In other words, even the material scientists know there is much more to the material cosmos than what is seen through biological eyes and their gross material extensions but have no way of detecting it. There are many Cosmologists and physicists who claim they do not know what the other 95.1% of the material universe is made of and can only refer to it as dark energy and dark matter.
As ancient scriptures like the Vedas tell us, there are two aspects to the material universe, the first feature is known as the gross material energy that we see all around us through the medium of our biological body that is also gross material energy, and the second is the subtle material energy that is also occupied by planetary systems, civilizations and living entities but is not perceived from the gross material biological platform by the material scientists.
The subtle aspect of the universe is unknown to the instruments of modern science although many people have experienced this subtle energy on a personal level; after all, all of us also have a underlining subtle material body that is further covered by the grosser biological material body which in fact moves all biological vessels in the gross material dimension of the universe taking up only 4.9% of the material creation
This gross biological covering is so thick that for most of us (except for advanced yogis, devotees and sages), blocks out our ability to perceive or acknowledge the subtle material universe that exists all around us taking up 95.1% of the material creation, therefore our so called advanced technology that we foolishly think is advanced, is only seeing a very, very small portion of the entire material universe.
Often many of those yogis and sages as well as many religions mistake this subtle material universe for the spiritual universe however, even though there are many heavenly worlds on this subtle platform where the life span is 10,000 years or more, such subtle worlds are only material and temperory. The actual Spiritual universe is beyond both the subtle and gross coverings of this transitory material universe
In Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3.31.41 Srila Prabhupada says – “We should always remember, as it is stated in Bhagavad-gita, that both the gross and subtle material bodies are dresses; they are the shirt and coat of the living entity”
The material scientists know there is something more to the material universe than what meets the eye but have not discovered the correct way to acknowledge it as yet. They have become good at analyzing a very small portion of the 4.9% of the material universe they know about on this small Earth planet, and have invented many instruments in medicine and other technologies that have greatly influenced breakthroughs in biology and technology by rearranging and manipulating this small amount of the 4.9% of the known material universe.
However, they still have not discovered the underlining subtle energy in the material universe nor the subtle individual vessels that exists as a basis within all biological species within the gross material aspect of the universe. The subtle material universe is the backdrop to the gross material universe, which cannot exist without subtle matter
The only way to truly understand this is by penance, austerity and pious activity, which sound a bit vague to most people because most people do not know enough about the subtle workings of the material universe in this age of Kali-yuga. Anyway it’s good to know that all our vast gross scientific material knowledge and technology is only exploring 4.9% of the total material universe. There is still so much more to discover in this small percentage of the material universe, what to speak of the subtle material universe and the Spiritual realm beyond that.
Ultimately the only way to understand all this is by developing higher knowledge through higher consciousness, only then can one discover what is in the other 94.9% of the material universe that is still mundane to a devotee of Krishna.
The point is, this subtle aspect of the material universe is beyond the realms of modern technology, it can never be perceived with gross material means or endeavors.
The next question is, in the subtle material universe, what are the subtle material bodily vessels made of? Srila Prabhupada tells us the subtle material body is made of mind, intelligence and ego. This answer is not very easy to understand because we are seeing everything from the gross material platform that governs this gross universe only. Such laws of nature are different in the subtle world and cannot be measured by instruments in the gross world. No material scientist can detect the subtle body of mind, intelligence and ego leaving the biological body at the time of its death.
This is where the Srimad Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts come into the picture however, this needs highly advanced devotees of Krishna to not only present this knowledge but also live it, only then will all these secrets of not only the mundane subtle material universe be known, but also the spiritual worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana, which is way beyond all the gross and subtle characteristics of the material universe.
Srila Prabhupada explains further how the gross biological and subtle bodies are material covings of the jiva soul also known as the marginal living entity which is our real individual identity
“We have got two kinds of body. One body is this gross body, and the other body is subtle body, made of mind, intelligence, and ego. So foolish person, they do not see the subtle body, but the subtle body is there.
Everyone will accept. I am working with my mind, intelligence and ego. Everyone knows. So although we cannot see the subtle body, it is there. So death means this gross body, this overcoat is left, and I am carried away by the subtle body, and I enter into another overcoat, or gross body.
So practically this is called death. Because we have no vision of the subtle body, how the soul is being transferred or transmigrating from one gross body to another gross body, keeping the subtle body intact. And the subtle body is given up when one is liberated. And at that time he goes, when he is liberated, freed from this subtle body also, at that time he is promoted to the spiritual kingdom in spiritual body.
Therefore while living in this gross body, we have to educate our subtle body in such a way that it becomes spiritualized completely.
The subtle body is mind, intelligence and ego.
So if we think of Krsna in the mind, always, and if we work intelligently for Krsna, that is mind and intelligence. And if we change our false ego, ego means, "I am." So I am at the present moment thinking, "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am white," "I am black," like that. "I am human being," "I am animal," "I am cat or dog," so many things, "I am." This "I am" has to be changed. I am eternal servant of Krsna.
In this way, if you educate or transfer the activities of the subtle body, mind, intelligence, and ego, then, at the time of death, you give up this subtle body, material subtle body, mind, intelligence, and ego, and by your spiritual body you go back to home, back to Godhead. This is called Krsna consciousness movement. Gross body, automatically we give up. Now, we should practice to give up the subtle body. To give up this subtle body, one has to develop love for God, prema. And the process is, how to give up the subtle body” Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.8
September 6, 1972, New Vrndavana.
Sunday, October 6, 2013
For centuries it was believed that the Earth was the center of the universe.
This belief, known as the geocentric model, held that the Earth was stationary while the sky revolved above it on a set of celestial spheres.
Aristotle eloquently argued how the Earth must be stationary and thus the center of the universe because you could not feel the Earth move;
there was no wind due to a moving Earth, hence it must be stationary; the birds and the clouds would be left behind if the Earth were moving; and if the Earth were moving the stars would display a parallax effect.
This was to be the common belief for over 1800 years, not only because of the persuasive arguments of Aristotle, but also because a feature of the Greek philosophy was that the universe was perfect. So, they believed that the celestial spheres the stars moved on were perfect, and everything in the sky was perfect.
Later, as the Catholic Church rose to prominence, this would be interpreted as a philosophy of a perfect sky as an indication of a perfect God. Therefore, any philosophy that did not agree with the geocentric belief was considered heretical. Anyone professing such beliefs risked facing the wrath of the Church. This understandably made people reluctant to present new ideas.
In 1543, Nicolaus Copernicus published Concerning the Revolutions of Celestial Spheres. He was very elderly, and in fact received the first copy of his book the day he died. This undoubtedly played a role in his decision to publish, because his book presented the then-controversial idea of what we call the heliocentric model.
What Copernicus claimed was that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the universe, and the Earth, stars, and planets all revolved about the Sun. It is this book that marks the beginning of modern astronomy and modern science. Because of the enormous importance of the work, the heliocentric model is commonly called the Copernican System.
Copernicus' work was initially rejected and his book was banned by the Church. But the damage had been done, and Johannes Kepler devoted himself to the task of mathematically describing the orbits of the planets about the Sun. He was able to solve this problem by 1619 with what is now known as Kepler's Three Laws of Planetary Motion.
Galileo declared in the early 1600s that he believed in the Copernican System, but he didn't have the necessary tools to prove it. However, by the end of 1610, Galileo had access to a new tool to prove his beliefs: the telescope. In that year, or early 1611, Galileo became the first person to observe the heavens through a telescope.
He immediately made several amazing discoveries, including mountains on the Moon and moons orbiting Jupiter (now known as the Galilean moons), and also discovered that the Milky Way was made of thousands of small stars and Venus went through a whole set of phases like the Moon. He presented his findings in a book called Sidereus Nuncias (The Messenger of the Stars) in 1611.
His beliefs would eventually bring him before the Inquisition, where he was forced to recant his beliefs before the court and later placed under house arrest, although it was not rigorously enforced.
But before long, the popularity of the Copernican System grew until it was the accepted model. Does this mean that it was no longer believed that we were the center of the universe? No. The belief was that the Sun, not the Earth, was at the center of the universe.
So we were still focused on the idea that there was something special about us. We had simply moved the universal center from our planet to our star. One of the reasons for this is because astronomers saw basically the same numbers of stars in all directions. If we were not the center, they reasoned, then we would see more stars in one direction than another. Since this was not the case, it must be because we were at the center.
By the latter part of the nineteenth century, a number of star groups called globular clusters had been identified. Globular clusters are large, spherical groups of stars, numbering in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of stars, and orbit the Milky Way.
Distances to these globular clusters could be calculated, and the astronomer Harlow Shapley reasoned that if we were at the center of the universe, there should be an even distribution of globular clusters in all directions. However, when he plotted the locations of the globular clusters, he found we were not at the center of the Milky Way, and he was able to make a good estimate of the distance to the true center.
Then it was established that the Sun was not the center of the universe, but it was still thought that the center of the Milky Way was the center of the universe. It was not until the twentieth century that it was finally established that neither we nor our galaxy formed the center of the universe.
This belief, known as the geocentric model, held that the Earth was stationary while the sky revolved above it on a set of celestial spheres.
Aristotle eloquently argued how the Earth must be stationary and thus the center of the universe because you could not feel the Earth move;
there was no wind due to a moving Earth, hence it must be stationary; the birds and the clouds would be left behind if the Earth were moving; and if the Earth were moving the stars would display a parallax effect.
This was to be the common belief for over 1800 years, not only because of the persuasive arguments of Aristotle, but also because a feature of the Greek philosophy was that the universe was perfect. So, they believed that the celestial spheres the stars moved on were perfect, and everything in the sky was perfect.
Later, as the Catholic Church rose to prominence, this would be interpreted as a philosophy of a perfect sky as an indication of a perfect God. Therefore, any philosophy that did not agree with the geocentric belief was considered heretical. Anyone professing such beliefs risked facing the wrath of the Church. This understandably made people reluctant to present new ideas.
In 1543, Nicolaus Copernicus published Concerning the Revolutions of Celestial Spheres. He was very elderly, and in fact received the first copy of his book the day he died. This undoubtedly played a role in his decision to publish, because his book presented the then-controversial idea of what we call the heliocentric model.
What Copernicus claimed was that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the universe, and the Earth, stars, and planets all revolved about the Sun. It is this book that marks the beginning of modern astronomy and modern science. Because of the enormous importance of the work, the heliocentric model is commonly called the Copernican System.
Copernicus' work was initially rejected and his book was banned by the Church. But the damage had been done, and Johannes Kepler devoted himself to the task of mathematically describing the orbits of the planets about the Sun. He was able to solve this problem by 1619 with what is now known as Kepler's Three Laws of Planetary Motion.
Galileo declared in the early 1600s that he believed in the Copernican System, but he didn't have the necessary tools to prove it. However, by the end of 1610, Galileo had access to a new tool to prove his beliefs: the telescope. In that year, or early 1611, Galileo became the first person to observe the heavens through a telescope.
He immediately made several amazing discoveries, including mountains on the Moon and moons orbiting Jupiter (now known as the Galilean moons), and also discovered that the Milky Way was made of thousands of small stars and Venus went through a whole set of phases like the Moon. He presented his findings in a book called Sidereus Nuncias (The Messenger of the Stars) in 1611.
His beliefs would eventually bring him before the Inquisition, where he was forced to recant his beliefs before the court and later placed under house arrest, although it was not rigorously enforced.
But before long, the popularity of the Copernican System grew until it was the accepted model. Does this mean that it was no longer believed that we were the center of the universe? No. The belief was that the Sun, not the Earth, was at the center of the universe.
So we were still focused on the idea that there was something special about us. We had simply moved the universal center from our planet to our star. One of the reasons for this is because astronomers saw basically the same numbers of stars in all directions. If we were not the center, they reasoned, then we would see more stars in one direction than another. Since this was not the case, it must be because we were at the center.
By the latter part of the nineteenth century, a number of star groups called globular clusters had been identified. Globular clusters are large, spherical groups of stars, numbering in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of stars, and orbit the Milky Way.
Distances to these globular clusters could be calculated, and the astronomer Harlow Shapley reasoned that if we were at the center of the universe, there should be an even distribution of globular clusters in all directions. However, when he plotted the locations of the globular clusters, he found we were not at the center of the Milky Way, and he was able to make a good estimate of the distance to the true center.
Then it was established that the Sun was not the center of the universe, but it was still thought that the center of the Milky Way was the center of the universe. It was not until the twentieth century that it was finally established that neither we nor our galaxy formed the center of the universe.
Saturday, October 5, 2013
Is Vedic Cosmology Susceptible to 21st Century Modern Scientific Influence?
BY: GAURAGOPALA DASA
Mayesa Prabhu and Sadaputa Prabhu differ greatly in their understanding of Surya-Siddhanta and the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam; Mayesa cannot understand how one can come to the conclusion that the Moon is 258,000 miles from Earth, which is close to the material scientist’s calculations of 238,000 miles, with mathematical calculations found in both Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya-siddhanta. Who is right?
Also why did Srila Prabhupada accept the distance between Earth and Sun at 93,000,000 miles that differs from the Srimad Bhagavatam's calculations?
Sadaputa Prabhu in his book, Vedic Cosmography and Astronomy tries to answer this with the following explanation:
Question - In Srimad Bhagavatam 8.10.38p, Srila Prabhupada says, "The Sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the Earth, and from the Srimad-Bhagavatam we understand that the Moon is 1,600,000 miles above the Sun. Therefore the distance between the Earth and the Moon would be about 95,000,000 miles." Doesn't this plainly say that the Moon is farther from the Earth than the Sun?
Answer – "In the summary at the end of Chapter 23 of the Fifth Canto Srila Prabhupada says, "The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 100,000 yojanas." At 8 miles per yojana, this comes to 800,000 miles. We suggest that when Srila Prabhupada cites the modern Western Earth-Sun distance of 93,000,000 miles, he is simply making the point that if you put together the Bhagavatam and modern astronomy you get a contradictory picture. His conclusion is that one should simply accept the Vedic version, and he was not interested in personally delving into astronomical arguments in detail".
The comment about Srila Prabhupada saying the Sun is 93,000,000 does not translate to the yoganas mentioned in the Bhagavatam, he seemed to be just quoting the material scientists distance of the Sun of 93,000,000, then adding the Moon distance on top of that, the point is, does it translate to 93,000,000 miles away? I don't think it says that in the Bhagavatam even though Srila Prabhupada kind of says it, actually if you read his statement he says, 'The Sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the Earth, if that is so, then the Moon must be 95,000,000 million miles away.' In other words he is not really saying those figures, he is just using an example using modern science calculations.
Mayesa dasa explains further with a more fundamental understanding–
'Srila Prabhupada sometimes quoted the modern science view that the Sun is 93 million miles away from Earth. In those instances he is not trying to tell us that scientists are exactly right. Like Srila Prabhupada, we are also slaves to guru, sadhu and sastra, so with guru and Krsna's help, it may be possible for us to understand to some degree these things.
In the matter of the Moon it is so difficult but one thing is, modern science has it that the Moon and the Earth are both very small planets. Modern science says that the Moon and the Earth revolve around each other as they revolve around the Sun, which revolves around an unseen center of what they call the Galaxy center. Modern science also believe the universe is continuously expanding.
We disagree with almost all of this. But the important point is, this revolution of the Moon around the Earth and Earth around the Moon, with the Sun "virtually" unmoving save only over long period around some galactic center, means the Moon must therefore be small and it must be very close to Earth for this rotation to be possible.
Our Sastra however, does not agree with this. Actually it is the Sun moving and not the Earth. Also as already explained, modern science takes the Moon and Earth to be going around each and the Earth revolving on its axis, the Earth does not do that according to sastra. Vedic information has Earth close to center of the whole planetary system; this information should come close to the information about the winds and the circular shape of the universe.
It is helpful to understand that Vedic knowledge has it that the planets are propelled by a kind of wind. There is a verse in Vedic literature that the winds of this universe are the prana of the universal form. Now as such, these winds are able to circulate around us. Dhruva is said to revolve at the top. And way low in the universe some demigod animals are regulating this flow to keep it perfect.
By reconstructing a model of this it might be possible to show how this is possible, however, prana and wind are not exactly going to follow the exact same laws. Still it would be interesting to try an experiment like this, it could lead to scientific discovery.
The Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta says, "No, the Earth is close to center of north south center of universe and Moon and Sun both travel on orbits around the Earth." I do not remember Sadaputa dasa Prabhu addressing this matter at all; he seems to be trying to find a compromise with some of the modern scientific cosmological views.
It is very important to consider that the universe is said to be round and covered on the inside by a layer of atoms of Earth. This is directly stated in Matsya Purana precisely.
One thing is, these numbers in Srimad Bhagavatam for the Sun and Moon and planets and constellations are not "distances", 324,000 is given for the Moon. 4,331,500 is given for the Sun, 259,890,012 is given for constellations, etc. These are not distances, they are mathematical constructs. Let us see how this is so. 324,000 / 11,859 = 27.32, the number of days of the Moon's revolution.
I do not think Srila Prabhupada was trying to give any accurate distance. He left this for us to work on. 4,331,500/11,859 = 365.25 the days of the Sun's revolution.
So these numbers have a purpose. Used in a certain way they can help us determine several different things including distance, but they are not distance in and of themselves.
If we find a completely different arrangement to the universe and different distances to the planets, it will surely not be easy to convince modern science or even devotees. If it were the understanding of sastra, then why would we care what the modern scientists think?
Furthest according to Bhagavatam, the Sun is 150,000,000 miles away from Earth approx., and closest it is 112,000,000 miles away approx. Remember, modern science says the Sun is a ball of gases, not a planet with an advanced civilization on it as we understand from Sastra. They also do not believe it changes sizes. They do not believe it moves away from us but rather always remains like the Moon describing a backwards C, sticking more or less to the circumference of Earth.
I have published preliminary figures for the Moon, it is about 112,890,000 miles away from Earth. These numbers do not make sense unless you understand that when the Moon is 112,890,000 miles away, the Sun at the same degree is 120,000,000 miles away. You see, sometimes planets occupy the same space as another planet but not at the same time (Sun, Mercury, Venus). And in the case of the Sun and Moon they may have similar distances but not at the same declination.
When the Moon is 0 degrees celestial (going around our equator) it is 112,000,000, but the Sun going around our equator is 120,000,000. But later the Sun will be approx. 112,000,000 just like the Moon's distance, but at 23.5 degrees declination.
The Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta solve the Sun, then the Moon. But if the Moon is 112,000,000 miles away at its closest to Earth, you would have to divide that by 4. That would be how many miles the astronauts and space probes traveled each day to get there in 4 days. This is why Srila Prabhupada did not think they went to the Moon. Therefore either our calculations from Sastra are wrong and space probes are going there, or Srila Prabhupada was right all along and it is impossible to go there in 4 days. In the face of so much evidence from modern science now with so many countries supposedly sending probes to the Moon, I can understand why Sadaputa came to his conclusions.
However, it makes me wonder how Sadaputa gets the figure of 258,000 miles for the Moon's distance from Earth. Keep in mind he sees Bhumandala as the solar system. He has taken Maharaja Priyavrata (first part of 5th canto) and thought this referred to planetary system.
Then since he took that as reference to planetary system, he has taken everything else like that -- the oceans and lands around Jambudvipa as areas of space. But Danavir Gosvami's excellent movie shows how to take it more directly. When we add the movement of planets to this it will be clear. But the mind takes time to absorb the new knowledge.
This film is very good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKyQxI1Q3UU&list=PLIn9zvOkthKfHQdTyzd2PRiKQkEx1dX3X
BY: GAURAGOPALA DASA
Mayesa Prabhu and Sadaputa Prabhu differ greatly in their understanding of Surya-Siddhanta and the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam; Mayesa cannot understand how one can come to the conclusion that the Moon is 258,000 miles from Earth, which is close to the material scientist’s calculations of 238,000 miles, with mathematical calculations found in both Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya-siddhanta. Who is right?
Also why did Srila Prabhupada accept the distance between Earth and Sun at 93,000,000 miles that differs from the Srimad Bhagavatam's calculations?
Sadaputa Prabhu in his book, Vedic Cosmography and Astronomy tries to answer this with the following explanation:
Question - In Srimad Bhagavatam 8.10.38p, Srila Prabhupada says, "The Sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the Earth, and from the Srimad-Bhagavatam we understand that the Moon is 1,600,000 miles above the Sun. Therefore the distance between the Earth and the Moon would be about 95,000,000 miles." Doesn't this plainly say that the Moon is farther from the Earth than the Sun?
Answer – "In the summary at the end of Chapter 23 of the Fifth Canto Srila Prabhupada says, "The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 100,000 yojanas." At 8 miles per yojana, this comes to 800,000 miles. We suggest that when Srila Prabhupada cites the modern Western Earth-Sun distance of 93,000,000 miles, he is simply making the point that if you put together the Bhagavatam and modern astronomy you get a contradictory picture. His conclusion is that one should simply accept the Vedic version, and he was not interested in personally delving into astronomical arguments in detail".
The comment about Srila Prabhupada saying the Sun is 93,000,000 does not translate to the yoganas mentioned in the Bhagavatam, he seemed to be just quoting the material scientists distance of the Sun of 93,000,000, then adding the Moon distance on top of that, the point is, does it translate to 93,000,000 miles away? I don't think it says that in the Bhagavatam even though Srila Prabhupada kind of says it, actually if you read his statement he says, 'The Sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the Earth, if that is so, then the Moon must be 95,000,000 million miles away.' In other words he is not really saying those figures, he is just using an example using modern science calculations.
Mayesa dasa explains further with a more fundamental understanding–
'Srila Prabhupada sometimes quoted the modern science view that the Sun is 93 million miles away from Earth. In those instances he is not trying to tell us that scientists are exactly right. Like Srila Prabhupada, we are also slaves to guru, sadhu and sastra, so with guru and Krsna's help, it may be possible for us to understand to some degree these things.
In the matter of the Moon it is so difficult but one thing is, modern science has it that the Moon and the Earth are both very small planets. Modern science says that the Moon and the Earth revolve around each other as they revolve around the Sun, which revolves around an unseen center of what they call the Galaxy center. Modern science also believe the universe is continuously expanding.
We disagree with almost all of this. But the important point is, this revolution of the Moon around the Earth and Earth around the Moon, with the Sun "virtually" unmoving save only over long period around some galactic center, means the Moon must therefore be small and it must be very close to Earth for this rotation to be possible.
Our Sastra however, does not agree with this. Actually it is the Sun moving and not the Earth. Also as already explained, modern science takes the Moon and Earth to be going around each and the Earth revolving on its axis, the Earth does not do that according to sastra. Vedic information has Earth close to center of the whole planetary system; this information should come close to the information about the winds and the circular shape of the universe.
It is helpful to understand that Vedic knowledge has it that the planets are propelled by a kind of wind. There is a verse in Vedic literature that the winds of this universe are the prana of the universal form. Now as such, these winds are able to circulate around us. Dhruva is said to revolve at the top. And way low in the universe some demigod animals are regulating this flow to keep it perfect.
By reconstructing a model of this it might be possible to show how this is possible, however, prana and wind are not exactly going to follow the exact same laws. Still it would be interesting to try an experiment like this, it could lead to scientific discovery.
The Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta says, "No, the Earth is close to center of north south center of universe and Moon and Sun both travel on orbits around the Earth." I do not remember Sadaputa dasa Prabhu addressing this matter at all; he seems to be trying to find a compromise with some of the modern scientific cosmological views.
It is very important to consider that the universe is said to be round and covered on the inside by a layer of atoms of Earth. This is directly stated in Matsya Purana precisely.
One thing is, these numbers in Srimad Bhagavatam for the Sun and Moon and planets and constellations are not "distances", 324,000 is given for the Moon. 4,331,500 is given for the Sun, 259,890,012 is given for constellations, etc. These are not distances, they are mathematical constructs. Let us see how this is so. 324,000 / 11,859 = 27.32, the number of days of the Moon's revolution.
I do not think Srila Prabhupada was trying to give any accurate distance. He left this for us to work on. 4,331,500/11,859 = 365.25 the days of the Sun's revolution.
So these numbers have a purpose. Used in a certain way they can help us determine several different things including distance, but they are not distance in and of themselves.
If we find a completely different arrangement to the universe and different distances to the planets, it will surely not be easy to convince modern science or even devotees. If it were the understanding of sastra, then why would we care what the modern scientists think?
Furthest according to Bhagavatam, the Sun is 150,000,000 miles away from Earth approx., and closest it is 112,000,000 miles away approx. Remember, modern science says the Sun is a ball of gases, not a planet with an advanced civilization on it as we understand from Sastra. They also do not believe it changes sizes. They do not believe it moves away from us but rather always remains like the Moon describing a backwards C, sticking more or less to the circumference of Earth.
I have published preliminary figures for the Moon, it is about 112,890,000 miles away from Earth. These numbers do not make sense unless you understand that when the Moon is 112,890,000 miles away, the Sun at the same degree is 120,000,000 miles away. You see, sometimes planets occupy the same space as another planet but not at the same time (Sun, Mercury, Venus). And in the case of the Sun and Moon they may have similar distances but not at the same declination.
When the Moon is 0 degrees celestial (going around our equator) it is 112,000,000, but the Sun going around our equator is 120,000,000. But later the Sun will be approx. 112,000,000 just like the Moon's distance, but at 23.5 degrees declination.
The Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta solve the Sun, then the Moon. But if the Moon is 112,000,000 miles away at its closest to Earth, you would have to divide that by 4. That would be how many miles the astronauts and space probes traveled each day to get there in 4 days. This is why Srila Prabhupada did not think they went to the Moon. Therefore either our calculations from Sastra are wrong and space probes are going there, or Srila Prabhupada was right all along and it is impossible to go there in 4 days. In the face of so much evidence from modern science now with so many countries supposedly sending probes to the Moon, I can understand why Sadaputa came to his conclusions.
However, it makes me wonder how Sadaputa gets the figure of 258,000 miles for the Moon's distance from Earth. Keep in mind he sees Bhumandala as the solar system. He has taken Maharaja Priyavrata (first part of 5th canto) and thought this referred to planetary system.
Then since he took that as reference to planetary system, he has taken everything else like that -- the oceans and lands around Jambudvipa as areas of space. But Danavir Gosvami's excellent movie shows how to take it more directly. When we add the movement of planets to this it will be clear. But the mind takes time to absorb the new knowledge.
This film is very good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKyQxI1Q3UU&list=PLIn9zvOkthKfHQdTyzd2PRiKQkEx1dX3X
Friday, October 4, 2013
Tuesday, October 1, 2013
Why the Large Hadron Collider will never discover the subtle material energy that exists all around us.
Many seekers of knowledge, especially in the scientific community, believe there is no God. The fact is Krishna or God permits them to think this way because the living entities have free will and can desire to exist separately from Krishna if they choose.
Long ago we all chose to leave Krishna and foolishly came to this material universe and in doing so we have rejected not only our original home with Krishna in Vaikuntha the Spiritual World, but have also rejected the fact that everything in His material creation is also His design and created by Him. By doing this, we have concocted our own reasons of how the universe exists to suite our desires for fame, profit adoration and distinction.
In this way, we have come up with the theory of evolution and speculate that the cosmos have arranged themselves due to chance over billions of years. Modern atheistic science has come to believe life itself originated due to the result of endless combinations of molecules, which have rearranged themselves at random over billions of years. We have also come to believe that the planets have erratically arranged themselves over billions of years that has eventually lead to the conditions for life to evolve on this planet, all by chance
We think this way because we have abandoned Krishna and have replaced Him with our own speculative explanation of the universe, this is due to our foolish choice to try and enjoy independently from Him.
Modern scientists who deny the existence of God, search within the fabrics of the limited material energy to find answers to the universes origin however; they do not have the ability to see ALL of the material energy that exists around them, such as the subtle material energy that is unknown to modern scientific instruments like the Large Hadron Collider. This subtle material energy, unseen by the material scientists, is vastly populated with bodily vessels, cities and civilizations that exist on planets all around us, including the Sun and moon.
Many cultures and religions know of this subtle energy with many descriptions past down by ancient civilizations from previous ages, some referring to them as ghostly worlds. This simple means they are referring to a part of the material universe that is devoid of the gross and biological matter.
By denying Krishna as the creator, modern scientists come up with many theories of what the material universe is however; they are restricting themselves to only one portion of the material energy, which is the gross material energy.
They will never understand with their technology, the Spiritual world known as Vishnu’s domicile of Vaikuntha and Krishna’s abode of Goloka Vrndavana that is beyond the subtle and gross material coverings of the this temporary universe
Therefore they will never have the means to discover subtle matter that exists beyond the means of all scientific technology no matter how advanced it is or will become. They cannot perceive subtle matter, what to speak of the Spiritual energy, which is the true origins of all life. . .
For that reason the material scientists cannot use their technology like space probes, telescopes, electron microscopes and the Large Hadron Collider, to find subtle matter; it is unrecognizable and impossible to find it when using such gross material items. It is like trying to look for darkness in the light, it is simply impossible to discover subtle material energy using gross material energy.
The illusion of modern science, due to denying the existence of Krishna, is they claim they will discover the mysterious of the universe. In this way they have misled so many people with their speculative experimentations that have only refined one portion of the material universe, the gross feature or characteristic of material energy as we have seen over the last 150 years with advances in technological development. They have although acknowledged that something else exists but have not understood the means to find it.
It states in the Vedas that the only way to enter and see that subtle material energy, where there are many heavenly, hellish and ghostly worlds, is by performing pious or impious activities while in a human body, only then can one perceive these subtle worlds. No technology, no matter how advanced, can perceive these subtle realities or dimension.
The material atheistic scientists do not understand that there is a universal system of punishment and reward (karma) going on within the gross material universe. The biological human species is what governs the karmic destination of living entities to take a future birth. Only by ones pious and impious actions does one carve their way to the body of their next birth. There is no other way to visit these subtle material realities of the material universe; it cannot be reached by mechanical means.
The modern material scientists therefore are looking and restricting themselves to one characteristic of the material universe known as gross matter, they use many theories to try and explain this limited view of the Cosmos and the world we live in however, all they are seeing with all their technology is only a limited characteristic or part of the material universe known as gross matter, they are not perceiving the subtle matter. They are not seeing the full picture of the material universe.
Hare Krishna, your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa
Many seekers of knowledge, especially in the scientific community, believe there is no God. The fact is Krishna or God permits them to think this way because the living entities have free will and can desire to exist separately from Krishna if they choose.
Long ago we all chose to leave Krishna and foolishly came to this material universe and in doing so we have rejected not only our original home with Krishna in Vaikuntha the Spiritual World, but have also rejected the fact that everything in His material creation is also His design and created by Him. By doing this, we have concocted our own reasons of how the universe exists to suite our desires for fame, profit adoration and distinction.
In this way, we have come up with the theory of evolution and speculate that the cosmos have arranged themselves due to chance over billions of years. Modern atheistic science has come to believe life itself originated due to the result of endless combinations of molecules, which have rearranged themselves at random over billions of years. We have also come to believe that the planets have erratically arranged themselves over billions of years that has eventually lead to the conditions for life to evolve on this planet, all by chance
We think this way because we have abandoned Krishna and have replaced Him with our own speculative explanation of the universe, this is due to our foolish choice to try and enjoy independently from Him.
Modern scientists who deny the existence of God, search within the fabrics of the limited material energy to find answers to the universes origin however; they do not have the ability to see ALL of the material energy that exists around them, such as the subtle material energy that is unknown to modern scientific instruments like the Large Hadron Collider. This subtle material energy, unseen by the material scientists, is vastly populated with bodily vessels, cities and civilizations that exist on planets all around us, including the Sun and moon.
Many cultures and religions know of this subtle energy with many descriptions past down by ancient civilizations from previous ages, some referring to them as ghostly worlds. This simple means they are referring to a part of the material universe that is devoid of the gross and biological matter.
By denying Krishna as the creator, modern scientists come up with many theories of what the material universe is however; they are restricting themselves to only one portion of the material energy, which is the gross material energy.
They will never understand with their technology, the Spiritual world known as Vishnu’s domicile of Vaikuntha and Krishna’s abode of Goloka Vrndavana that is beyond the subtle and gross material coverings of the this temporary universe
Therefore they will never have the means to discover subtle matter that exists beyond the means of all scientific technology no matter how advanced it is or will become. They cannot perceive subtle matter, what to speak of the Spiritual energy, which is the true origins of all life. . .
For that reason the material scientists cannot use their technology like space probes, telescopes, electron microscopes and the Large Hadron Collider, to find subtle matter; it is unrecognizable and impossible to find it when using such gross material items. It is like trying to look for darkness in the light, it is simply impossible to discover subtle material energy using gross material energy.
The illusion of modern science, due to denying the existence of Krishna, is they claim they will discover the mysterious of the universe. In this way they have misled so many people with their speculative experimentations that have only refined one portion of the material universe, the gross feature or characteristic of material energy as we have seen over the last 150 years with advances in technological development. They have although acknowledged that something else exists but have not understood the means to find it.
It states in the Vedas that the only way to enter and see that subtle material energy, where there are many heavenly, hellish and ghostly worlds, is by performing pious or impious activities while in a human body, only then can one perceive these subtle worlds. No technology, no matter how advanced, can perceive these subtle realities or dimension.
The material atheistic scientists do not understand that there is a universal system of punishment and reward (karma) going on within the gross material universe. The biological human species is what governs the karmic destination of living entities to take a future birth. Only by ones pious and impious actions does one carve their way to the body of their next birth. There is no other way to visit these subtle material realities of the material universe; it cannot be reached by mechanical means.
The modern material scientists therefore are looking and restricting themselves to one characteristic of the material universe known as gross matter, they use many theories to try and explain this limited view of the Cosmos and the world we live in however, all they are seeing with all their technology is only a limited characteristic or part of the material universe known as gross matter, they are not perceiving the subtle matter. They are not seeing the full picture of the material universe.
Hare Krishna, your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, part 8
By Mayesa das edited by Gauragopala dasa
Part One Finding the Moon in Surya Siddhanta
The formula for finding the planets in the Surya Siddhanta cannot be employed for the moon. This is so because all the planets are found taking help of the number 324,000 and 57,753,336 which are for the moon. If we try to derive the moon from this formula the numbers cancel each other out.
Therefore the Surya Siddhanta gives us two separate numbers for the moon. Still our numbers will be canceled out applying them to the formula as is. So we must surmise that these numbers are to be used differently.
First let us set out some specifics about the planetary movements, which we need to know.
1) The sun planet revolves around us in 24 hours 360 degrees; the other planets do not do this. For example the moon moves 346.823 degrees daily (This creates what is called retrograde movement.) At eight o'clock tonight you will see the moon over your head but tomorrow night it will not be there it will be towards the east. Each planet has its specific orbit time.
2) The circumferences, which we use in the formulas, are specific for the planets we are finding but we may also have to take into account the degree of movement such as 360 or 346.823. We shall address this later.
3) The figures (324,000, 4,331,500 etc) in Surya Siddhanta are mathematical constructs. They are to be used as they are. Mathematical constructs means - You have the earth planet, which is 24,902 miles in circumference. When the sun is at 23.5 degrees, the earth at that degree if you were to draw a line from the center of the earth to the sun and than find the circumference (circle on earths surface) at that degree parallel with the circumference 24,902 you do some math.
24,902 / 360 = 69.172. Therefore 69.172 X ((360- (23.5 X 1.91355305500 = 21,791.42915
Now how do we relate the earth circumferences to planetary movements? That is where Mathematical constructs come in
4) The sun does not always move 23.5 degrees nor the moon always move 28.5 or 28.6 but for the purpose of Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta formulas, some degree must be selected in order to derive the solution (We are making all attempts to use the degrees the formulas themselves reveal)
It is our hope that by perfecting one system we can correct any mistakes in the other system that we have made inadvertently.
Part Two. Finding the Moon in Surya Siddhanta
Morning Walk December 17, 1973 Los Angeles, California
Srila Prabhupada: “In Bhagavatam there is regular calculation what is the distance from one planet to another”.
The two numbers given for the moon are 324,000 and 38,328,484. In the formulas for the other planets we use 324,000 but we shall now use the other number provided in Surya Siddhanta 60 X 38,328,484 X 57,753,336 / (107,459,665.6 /2 / pi) X 2) = 3,882,883,458 / 28.5 / 69.172 = 1,969,641.283. The number 107,459,665.6 is the daily movement of the moon.
The number 1,969,641.283 is a single degree of the moon's circumference around the equator of earth. This is called apsis. The text in Surya Siddhanta reads "apsis" 1,969,641.283 X 360 = 709,070,861.7
This is exactly the number we found in Srimad Bhagavatam formula. It appears we can derive more numbers but these are sufficient to give us the moon. 709,070,861.1 – 107,459,665.6 = 601,611,195.5
What we learn is that the moon is traveling a great distance from earth planet. This indicates that the earth and moon are not revolving around each other in a synchronized orbit as they circle the sun, as modern science takes for granted.
Rather as the sun circles earth planet, so too does the moon. In order to circle the sun with moon and earth in a synchronized orbit around each other, the moon must necessarily be a small object. But these numbers reveal the moon as a large object at a great distance.
Bhagavad-gita as it is Chapter 11 txt 19 -
‘You are without origin, middle or end. Your glory is unlimited. You have numberless arms, and the sun and moon are Your eyes. I see You with blazing fire coming forth from Your mouth, burning this entire universe by Your own radiance’.
Part Three Finding the Moon in Surya Siddhanta
It is also possible that by manipulating these numbers we can find for the moon at 18.28 degrees that is the moons shortest declination. The moon is moving up and down north and south back to zero twice in a month. Sometimes it is at various degrees before it reverses direction, its shortest travel is 18.28 degrees.
We have said the moon moves 346.823 degrees around earth planet at the same time it is moving north and south. (60 X 346.8236479) = 20,809.41887 X (57,753,336 X 38,328,484) / 68,925,006.57 / 2 = (18.28 squared)
Again we have used the special number for the moon 38,328,484. The number of miles the moon passes from 0 degrees to 18.28 degrees is 68,925,006.57
By Mayesa das edited by Gauragopala dasa
Part One Finding the Moon in Surya Siddhanta
The formula for finding the planets in the Surya Siddhanta cannot be employed for the moon. This is so because all the planets are found taking help of the number 324,000 and 57,753,336 which are for the moon. If we try to derive the moon from this formula the numbers cancel each other out.
Therefore the Surya Siddhanta gives us two separate numbers for the moon. Still our numbers will be canceled out applying them to the formula as is. So we must surmise that these numbers are to be used differently.
First let us set out some specifics about the planetary movements, which we need to know.
1) The sun planet revolves around us in 24 hours 360 degrees; the other planets do not do this. For example the moon moves 346.823 degrees daily (This creates what is called retrograde movement.) At eight o'clock tonight you will see the moon over your head but tomorrow night it will not be there it will be towards the east. Each planet has its specific orbit time.
2) The circumferences, which we use in the formulas, are specific for the planets we are finding but we may also have to take into account the degree of movement such as 360 or 346.823. We shall address this later.
3) The figures (324,000, 4,331,500 etc) in Surya Siddhanta are mathematical constructs. They are to be used as they are. Mathematical constructs means - You have the earth planet, which is 24,902 miles in circumference. When the sun is at 23.5 degrees, the earth at that degree if you were to draw a line from the center of the earth to the sun and than find the circumference (circle on earths surface) at that degree parallel with the circumference 24,902 you do some math.
24,902 / 360 = 69.172. Therefore 69.172 X ((360- (23.5 X 1.91355305500 = 21,791.42915
Now how do we relate the earth circumferences to planetary movements? That is where Mathematical constructs come in
4) The sun does not always move 23.5 degrees nor the moon always move 28.5 or 28.6 but for the purpose of Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta formulas, some degree must be selected in order to derive the solution (We are making all attempts to use the degrees the formulas themselves reveal)
It is our hope that by perfecting one system we can correct any mistakes in the other system that we have made inadvertently.
Part Two. Finding the Moon in Surya Siddhanta
Morning Walk December 17, 1973 Los Angeles, California
Srila Prabhupada: “In Bhagavatam there is regular calculation what is the distance from one planet to another”.
The two numbers given for the moon are 324,000 and 38,328,484. In the formulas for the other planets we use 324,000 but we shall now use the other number provided in Surya Siddhanta 60 X 38,328,484 X 57,753,336 / (107,459,665.6 /2 / pi) X 2) = 3,882,883,458 / 28.5 / 69.172 = 1,969,641.283. The number 107,459,665.6 is the daily movement of the moon.
The number 1,969,641.283 is a single degree of the moon's circumference around the equator of earth. This is called apsis. The text in Surya Siddhanta reads "apsis" 1,969,641.283 X 360 = 709,070,861.7
This is exactly the number we found in Srimad Bhagavatam formula. It appears we can derive more numbers but these are sufficient to give us the moon. 709,070,861.1 – 107,459,665.6 = 601,611,195.5
What we learn is that the moon is traveling a great distance from earth planet. This indicates that the earth and moon are not revolving around each other in a synchronized orbit as they circle the sun, as modern science takes for granted.
Rather as the sun circles earth planet, so too does the moon. In order to circle the sun with moon and earth in a synchronized orbit around each other, the moon must necessarily be a small object. But these numbers reveal the moon as a large object at a great distance.
Bhagavad-gita as it is Chapter 11 txt 19 -
‘You are without origin, middle or end. Your glory is unlimited. You have numberless arms, and the sun and moon are Your eyes. I see You with blazing fire coming forth from Your mouth, burning this entire universe by Your own radiance’.
Part Three Finding the Moon in Surya Siddhanta
It is also possible that by manipulating these numbers we can find for the moon at 18.28 degrees that is the moons shortest declination. The moon is moving up and down north and south back to zero twice in a month. Sometimes it is at various degrees before it reverses direction, its shortest travel is 18.28 degrees.
We have said the moon moves 346.823 degrees around earth planet at the same time it is moving north and south. (60 X 346.8236479) = 20,809.41887 X (57,753,336 X 38,328,484) / 68,925,006.57 / 2 = (18.28 squared)
Again we have used the special number for the moon 38,328,484. The number of miles the moon passes from 0 degrees to 18.28 degrees is 68,925,006.57
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