UNDERTANDING THE POSITION OF THE MOON
This topic is so complex, there is still much more to be known and understood, especially the position, size and distance of the Moon according to sastra.
According to Mayesa dasa, the Moon is very large and is between 95,000,000 to 100,000,000 miles from Earth. Of course this creates a dilemma when taking into account what the material scientists are saying however, the only conclusion is devotees except the conclusions of sastra over science gathered with the faulty material senses.
Maybe the demigods are pulling the wool over the material scientists eyes that makes them see a limited view of the universe only. The fact is, modern technology is not seeing the full picture with their limited gross material vision, telescopes and space probes even if they are going to the moon.
Thursday, September 26, 2013
Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, Part 7
Finding distance, declination and movement of the planets in the Surya Siddhanta.
By Mayesa dasa edited by Gauragopala dasa
Sunrise to sunset is the route the Sun Planet takes in his giant golden chariot harnessed to seven horses. The chariot of the Sun-god (Surya), worshiped by the words om bhur bhuva svah, travels at a speed of 3,400,800 yojanas [27,206,400 miles] in a muhurta (a Muhurta equals approximately 48 minutes)
Part One. Using the formulas in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam and the Surya Siddhanta in a balanced way for better understanding of planetary distances
We have shown how the Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto has a formula for finding the planets. Now we shall turn to Surya Siddhanta for the same information. In this way, we shall be able to confirm or correct our understanding of the formula in 5th Canto.
All the following numbers are all given in various places in the Surya Siddhanta
In chapter 12 of Surya Siddhanta we find a formula. It is said there to "multiply the orbit of the sun by 60" and "multiply the revolutions of the moon in a kalpa" (It is important to know that when a planet moves through its cycle it has an orbit that is permanent and it has an orbit that is changing. When we subtract the unchanging orbit from the greatest circumference we are left with the planets "daily movement")
Next the text reads, "This orbit divided by the respective orbits of the planets in a kalpa gives the respective orbits of the planets. Dividing these orbits by the number of terrestrial days gives the respective movements of the planets."
Let us do this much for the sun planet.
(60 X 4,331,500 X 57,753,336) / 4,320,000 = 34,744,246,510 / (1,577,917,828 / 4,320,000) = 9,512,228.22.
We already have the daily movement of the planet it is 34,744,246,510 X 2 X Pi = 218,304,539,200. This is too much, for our figure in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, but there is a reason for this in the mathematics of Surya Siddhanta.
Now the formula reads "Multiply daily motion by orbit of moon and divide by planet's own orbit" So, 9,512,228.22 X 324,000 / 4,331,500 = 1,423,046.032 (1,423,046.032 / 23.5) = 60,555.1513 / 280.1257085 = 216.1713454 (Surya Siddhanta does not specifically give this formula but it mentions, "This will yield their daily motions in kalaas" We have not found a definition for kalaa so we have had to apply logic.)
Now we have declination and movement. The earth planet at 23.5 degrees north is 28,012.57085 and south it is 21,617.13454. Of course the earth is never really bigger than 24,902 but by this formula we can understand the "movement" from the side of a planet.
We know it goes around the earth but when is it close and when is it far away? This formula cleverly paints the picture for us. Without this calculation we would not know the north and south movement of the planets. It is not found in Srimad Bhagavatam as far as we can determine. (With the exception of the sun planet)
Part Two. The formulas in Surya Siddhanta and the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam working together to establish Planetary distances
In the first part of the formula we have found the number 34,744,246,510. Because we already know this is different than what we get in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, we shall subtract the smaller number (Srimad Bhagavatam) from the greater (Surya Siddhanta) and that gives us 366,778.8022.
We are bothering with this because unlike the numbers in the rest of the formulas, this number is a couple of decimal points too large. We will correct it for the decimal points and still we will utilize both the original number from Surya Siddhanta and the number we got by subtraction in the final formula.
So we think that starting with the Sun, Sunday. Moon, Monday. Mars, Tuesday, Mercury, Wednesday, Jupiter, Thursday, Venus, Friday, Saturn, Saturday, we are being given another part of the formula without it being directly said in the text.
Now multiply both these numbers by 2 and by Pi and we utilize them in the final formula in Ch 12 Surya Siddhanta. (218,304,539.2 X (2,304,539.181 / Pi)) / 2,304,539.181 = 69,488,493.03 - (2,304,539.181 / Pi) = 68,754,935.42 / 2 = 34,377,467.71
When we multiply by 2 and by Pi we have an exact match to Srimad Bhagavatam to the decimal point. 34,377,467.71 X 2 X Pi = 216,000,000. Now 864,000,000 – 216,000,000 = 648,000,000
The significance of the number 2,304,539.181 is that the earth is situated on an invisible circumference away from the center of the universe. Meru and Dhruva are south and north respectively. Earth planet is not situated in the center.
If you draw a circle in front of you and place a penny to the right of center, though the circle is a circle, it will not appear to be a circle to the penny, it will appear to act as an ellipse, as the modern scientists say the planetary orbits behave.
When we look into space it appears we see elliptical trajectories or galaxies. Hold a quarter in your hand straight on - it is a circle. Turn it a little to the side, what do you see? An ellipse. Has the circle changed?
Once this was no longer understood mathematicians and scientists had to create a different explanation to account for planetary movements.
Finding distance, declination and movement of the planets in the Surya Siddhanta.
By Mayesa dasa edited by Gauragopala dasa
Sunrise to sunset is the route the Sun Planet takes in his giant golden chariot harnessed to seven horses. The chariot of the Sun-god (Surya), worshiped by the words om bhur bhuva svah, travels at a speed of 3,400,800 yojanas [27,206,400 miles] in a muhurta (a Muhurta equals approximately 48 minutes)
Part One. Using the formulas in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam and the Surya Siddhanta in a balanced way for better understanding of planetary distances
We have shown how the Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto has a formula for finding the planets. Now we shall turn to Surya Siddhanta for the same information. In this way, we shall be able to confirm or correct our understanding of the formula in 5th Canto.
All the following numbers are all given in various places in the Surya Siddhanta
In chapter 12 of Surya Siddhanta we find a formula. It is said there to "multiply the orbit of the sun by 60" and "multiply the revolutions of the moon in a kalpa" (It is important to know that when a planet moves through its cycle it has an orbit that is permanent and it has an orbit that is changing. When we subtract the unchanging orbit from the greatest circumference we are left with the planets "daily movement")
Next the text reads, "This orbit divided by the respective orbits of the planets in a kalpa gives the respective orbits of the planets. Dividing these orbits by the number of terrestrial days gives the respective movements of the planets."
Let us do this much for the sun planet.
(60 X 4,331,500 X 57,753,336) / 4,320,000 = 34,744,246,510 / (1,577,917,828 / 4,320,000) = 9,512,228.22.
We already have the daily movement of the planet it is 34,744,246,510 X 2 X Pi = 218,304,539,200. This is too much, for our figure in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, but there is a reason for this in the mathematics of Surya Siddhanta.
Now the formula reads "Multiply daily motion by orbit of moon and divide by planet's own orbit" So, 9,512,228.22 X 324,000 / 4,331,500 = 1,423,046.032 (1,423,046.032 / 23.5) = 60,555.1513 / 280.1257085 = 216.1713454 (Surya Siddhanta does not specifically give this formula but it mentions, "This will yield their daily motions in kalaas" We have not found a definition for kalaa so we have had to apply logic.)
Now we have declination and movement. The earth planet at 23.5 degrees north is 28,012.57085 and south it is 21,617.13454. Of course the earth is never really bigger than 24,902 but by this formula we can understand the "movement" from the side of a planet.
We know it goes around the earth but when is it close and when is it far away? This formula cleverly paints the picture for us. Without this calculation we would not know the north and south movement of the planets. It is not found in Srimad Bhagavatam as far as we can determine. (With the exception of the sun planet)
Part Two. The formulas in Surya Siddhanta and the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam working together to establish Planetary distances
In the first part of the formula we have found the number 34,744,246,510. Because we already know this is different than what we get in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, we shall subtract the smaller number (Srimad Bhagavatam) from the greater (Surya Siddhanta) and that gives us 366,778.8022.
We are bothering with this because unlike the numbers in the rest of the formulas, this number is a couple of decimal points too large. We will correct it for the decimal points and still we will utilize both the original number from Surya Siddhanta and the number we got by subtraction in the final formula.
So we think that starting with the Sun, Sunday. Moon, Monday. Mars, Tuesday, Mercury, Wednesday, Jupiter, Thursday, Venus, Friday, Saturn, Saturday, we are being given another part of the formula without it being directly said in the text.
Now multiply both these numbers by 2 and by Pi and we utilize them in the final formula in Ch 12 Surya Siddhanta. (218,304,539.2 X (2,304,539.181 / Pi)) / 2,304,539.181 = 69,488,493.03 - (2,304,539.181 / Pi) = 68,754,935.42 / 2 = 34,377,467.71
When we multiply by 2 and by Pi we have an exact match to Srimad Bhagavatam to the decimal point. 34,377,467.71 X 2 X Pi = 216,000,000. Now 864,000,000 – 216,000,000 = 648,000,000
The significance of the number 2,304,539.181 is that the earth is situated on an invisible circumference away from the center of the universe. Meru and Dhruva are south and north respectively. Earth planet is not situated in the center.
If you draw a circle in front of you and place a penny to the right of center, though the circle is a circle, it will not appear to be a circle to the penny, it will appear to act as an ellipse, as the modern scientists say the planetary orbits behave.
When we look into space it appears we see elliptical trajectories or galaxies. Hold a quarter in your hand straight on - it is a circle. Turn it a little to the side, what do you see? An ellipse. Has the circle changed?
Once this was no longer understood mathematicians and scientists had to create a different explanation to account for planetary movements.
Wednesday, September 18, 2013
Discussing the Moon planet
July 1, 1976
Hari-sauri: Now they are putting out the same kind of propaganda about Mars that formerly they were putting out about the moon -- that there may be life -- so that they can use that as an excuse to go.
I just read a little bit where they say that due to information sent back by the last spaceship that they sent to Mars, now they think that there's more water vapor in the atmosphere than they at first thought.
So that means that there's a good possibility that there may be some bacterial life on Mars. So (laughs) they don't... And then they state that the temperature ranges from-130 to +40 degrees farenheit. So that means that there could be life there in a bacterial form.
Prabhupada: And why there is no life in moon planet? Some scientists say the temperature is two hundred degrees less than the zero.
Hari-sauri: Yes, at night when they said, because there's no atmosphere.
Prabhupada: But why these rascals say it is full of dust, and how from the dust so much light is coming, illuminating the whole universe? What is their logic? They have already brought the dust. That dust does not illuminate.
Hari-sauri: Well, they say just like when the sunlight hits the earth, then the earth appears very bright from outer space. It appears very illuminating.
Prabhupada: Who says?
Hari-sauri: This is the scientists' excuse. They showed some pictures taken from outer space that shows the earth glowing very brightly, like the moon. So they say in the same way when the...
Prabhupada: Why the glow of the surface of the earth does not illuminate? It does not come between illumination?
Hari-sauri: Just like when the sun is here everything is bright.
Prabhupada: That's all right, when the sun is there.
Pusta Krsna: The moon is actually illuminating.
Prabhupada: Why it does not illuminate?
Hari-sauri: They only say it reflects the sunlight.
Prabhupada: Kick their face with shoes. That is the only reward for them. And foolish persons accepting. Just like sun is illuminating. It doesn't require illumination from any other planet. Similarly, if earth is also illuminating, why does it require moonlight in darkness? This common sense does not come into the brain of these rascals who believe that?
Hari-sauri: They put their scientific reasoning to explain the different things.
Prabhupada: What is their scientific reasoning? Talking like fools and rascals? If something is illuminating, why extra illumination required to illuminate.
Pusta Krsna: Their theory is that there's a dark side of the moon that we've never seen.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Pusta Krsna: Their theory is that there's a dark..., that actually the moon is reflecting the sun's light. So there's a dark side of the moon.
Prabhupada: So far the world is, where is the dark side and the bright side? If you compare like that, then so far this globe is concerned, which one is dark side, which one is bright side?
Hari-sauri: No, they say the earth is spinning on its own axis, so all parts of the earth at one time or another receive sunlight.
Prabhupada: The moon does not do that?
Hari-sauri: The moon does not revolve on its own axis.
Prabhupada: Another foolishness.
Pusta Krsna: Just to fit their speculation.
Prabhupada: Just see. Simply speculation and misleading people.
Hari-sauri: There's no basis for it, there's no truth to it at all. (laughs)
Prabhupada: And you people believed that? I'm surprised. (laughter) You are also fools and rascals.
Hari-sauri: This is what they teach in all the schools.
Pusta Krsna: They have little models, Srila Prabhupada, made out of plastic.
Prabhupada: Ah, they are... Let them, we take them as rascals, that's all. Mudha.
Hari-sauri: That other argument that you use about how the moon rays give life to the vegetables... So how is it that there's no life on the moon? If the rays from the moon give life, then how is it there's no life where the rays come from?
Prabhupada: They have never gone to moon. (laughs) All bogus. And this Mars expedition will be a failure. Let them spend millions of dollars. I told about moon planet ten years ago. It is childish, simply a waste of money and energy. I told this. Now it has proved.
Hari-sauri: There's no more interest in the moon at all.
Prabhupada: No? Kirtanananda said "It is inhabitable." Ten years ago I said there's no use going there. It is childish, waste of money. But who hears about us? We know moon planet is inhabited by high-class living entities. (laughs) (sarcastically:) And they will allow these rascals to go by their machine.
Hari-sauri: When they originally started sending sputniks to the moon, they couldn't even land them properly. They would crash, they said that they were crash-landing spaceships into the moon's surface.
Prabhupada: Crashed?
Hari-sauri: Crash-landing. The spaceship was supposed to just smash into the surface of the moon, like that.
Prabhupada: They have never gone. Simply propaganda. Even they have gone, what is the result? Simply with big report that it is inhabitable. (Prabhupada is eating something:) What is this fiber? Finding? What are other things are there in the... Hmm? What is this? (Hari-sauri laughs) Hmm? Do they add anything more? Something reddish there?
Hari-sauri: Sometimes there's a few bugs in it. (laughs) There's some..., it's probably some strands from the mango, fiber from the mango.
Prabhupada: Do they add mango?
Hari-sauri: Yes, sometimes they put different fruits in it.
Pradyumna: Little oranges in there. You can put orange?
Hari-sauri: Strawberry and mango and this and that. They make it with some kind of ice cream machine.
Prabhupada: Hmm? This is not from machine?
Hari-sauri: No, this is from machine.
Pradyumna: You first made ice cream in New York, Srila Prabhupada? Someone told me that in 26 Second Avenue, did you make..., you made them ice cream when it was very hot?
Prabhupada: Hot?
Pradyumna: It was hot, no, the weather was hot, so you made.
Prabhupada: No, you can make ice cream in this, what is called, refrigerator. You can make.
Hari-sauri: Just make thick cream and put it in the fridge.
Pusta Krsna: "Ice" cream.
Prabhupada: (Prabhupada speaks some gibberish). Big, big words.
Pradyumna: They put everything in language. Then everyone is fooled. No one knows...
Hari-sauri: Speak as many big words as possible and don't make any point at all, and then everybody will proclaim.
Prabhupada: So gradually they'll go up to Saturn?
Pusta Krsna: If the money holds out. Actually, they've already sent some exploring rocketships way out to Saturn years ago.
Hari-sauri: Takes several years to reach.
Pusta Krsna: It's such a bluff.
Hari-sauri: How long does it take them to go to Mars?
Pradyumna: Mars and Venus also, they say.
Hari-sauri: Venus is the other one they concentrate... They think that Venus, there's a good chance there may be some life there.
Pradyumna: Venus is covered by clouds. So no one can see what is there. There's clouds all around the planet. Heavy, what do they call, so that no one can see. So they sent a rocket inside or something to go through the clouds to see what is there. Russians also tried. Fermament. In the Bible, they say that on earth there was also..., above the earth there were all clouds at one time according to the Bible. And then at that time men used to live very, very long, and then the clouds went away at some point. They call it a firmament. So the same thing is on Venus. No one can see what the planet is like, no one has ever known. That is also a heavenly, we say also... That is Sukracarya's place?
Prabhupada: Not Sukracarya's, just Sukra.
Pradyumna: Just Sukra.
Prabhupada: May be Sukracarya's place. What benefit they will have? Nothing. This is science. Without any aim, without any objective.
Hari-sauri: What they're doing is entirely pointless. There's no proper reason for any of it. Because they aren't improving their actual living standards by it. They are... It's just like a jnani, he thinks advancement of knowledge, just to simply acquire any amount of knowledge.
Prabhupada: Kevala-bodha-labdhaye. They are described: Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye. Simply works hard simply to know things. No benefit. These rascals are like that. Kevala-bodha-labdhaye.
Hari-sauri: That's the futility of the university system now. They are going and they're accumulating knowledge which is worthless for living. It has no practical value, so all the youth are becoming very frustrated.
Prabhupada: Any sane man will be frustrated. Why you are spending money and going there? Kevala-bodha-labdhaya, klisyanti kevala, bhaktim.... Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye tesam asau klesala eva sisyate nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam. Just like the husk... The outer portion of rice? If there is rice, you husk, beat it, rice will come. The rice is not there, simply husk, what is the use of this beating? It is like that. Rice will not come, simply they are trying to beat it. So the result is they become tired, that's all. They only result is they'll become tired. Klesala eva sisyate, that's all. The result of hard labor is tiresome. So they'll get that only, that's all. They are satisfied, "Now we are tiresome, let us sleep." What you have gotten? "Dust." That's all. This is the philosophy. Bhaktim, what is that verse?
Pradyumna: Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]?
Prabhupada: Huh? That's not it. Klesala, klesala.
Pradyumna: Klesadikataras, klesa?
Prabhupada: Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye tesam asau klesala eva sisyate nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam.
Hari-sauri: It's from the Bhagavatam?
Prabhupada: Yes, it is mentioned in the Caitanya-caritamrta. Any process you accept, rejecting devotional service, the result will be that there is no profit. You simply labor for nothing, as much as to beat the husk, you'll never get the rice, you will simply be tiresome, that's all. Just like so-called religion. There is no faith in God. There is no need of God, and "religion." This is nonsense. Religion means without God? This is going on. God, you can accept anyone, Ramakrishna Mission. Any rascal...He was a fool, illiterate rascal, Ramakrishna. He became God. No standard, and they are propagating Ramakrishna Mission. As we are preaching Krsna is God, they are preaching Ramakrishna. And who's accepting them? For the last hundred years, they are preaching. So who has become a devotee of Ramakrishna?
Pusta Krsna: It's absurd to even think about becoming a devotee of Ramakrishna.
Prabhupada: You have got Caitanya-caritamrta?
Pradyumna: I think it is Tenth Canto. Sreyah srutim bhaktim? I've been making a list of all the verses that you quote most.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Pradyumna:
sreyah srutim bhaktim udasya te vibho
klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye
tesam asau klesala eva sisyate
nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam
[SB 10.14.4]
Prabhupada: There is note?
Pradyumna: Bhaktim vina jnanam tu naiva siddhyed ity aha (indistinct) sreyah srutim iti; sreyasam abhyudayapavarga-laksananam srtih saranam, yasyah sarasa iva nirjharanam, tam te tava bhaktim udasya tyaktva sreyasam marga-bhutam iti va; tesam klesalah klesa evavasisyate. Ayam bhavan (indistinct) yatha alpapramanam dhanyam parityajya antah (indistinct) kanahinam sthula-dhanyabhasams tusaneva (indistinct) vaghnanti, tesam na kincit phalam, evam bhaktim tucchi-krtya ye kevala-bodhaya prayatante, tesam apiti.
Prabhupada: Yes. Simply tiresome, that's all. Religion, no God. There are so many religions.
Hari-sauri: Soon as they forget the actual religion then there are so many concoctions.
Prabhupada: "This is our religion." What is religion? "No God." What is religion? Then, those who are godless, they have got religion. Atheism has got religion. Then why bring this religion? What is the meaning of religion? Just see.
Pradyumna: One time we went to a church in Boston to speak. They had only a pulpit for the preacher, and behind, no altar, no crucifix, nothing, just big map of outer space with planets on the wall. Not even any Christian church, but no cross, nothing. Only universe. Universalist Church, it's called. The Universalists.
Prabhupada: That's nice, but give some information of the universe.
Hari-sauri: Says, "Religion: 1. monastic condition, being a monk or a nun, enter into a monastic order; 2. practice of sacred rites; 3. one of the prevalent systems of faith and worship, i.e. Christian, Muhammadan, etc.; 4. human recognition of superhuman controlling power and especially of a personal God entitled to obedience, effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude."
Prabhupada: This is religion. Personal conception of God.
Hari-sauri: And then "5. action that one is bound to do."
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything is there. Any one of them you take. That's good idea, but special conception of personal God, huh? What is that?
Hari-sauri: "Human recognition of superhuman controlling power and especially of a personal God entitled to obedience."
Prabhupada: That's all, clear. What are the other items?
Hari-sauri: Then, "the effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude." And then "action that one is bound to do."
Prabhupada: One is bound to do. Dharmena hina pasubhih samana. If he does not do, then he's animal. It must be done. There is no question of optional. If you are human being, you must be religious, you must recognize the supreme controller. Otherwise, you are animal. What is the other interpretations? Beginning one?
Hari-sauri: "Monastic condition, being a monk or a nun."
Prabhupada: Just like every religion has got some condition, monastic, is it not?
Hari-sauri: Yes, every religion has a system of priests.
Prabhupada: (Coughs severely for a few minutes) Monastic condition?
Hari-sauri: "Practice of sacred rites."
Prabhupada: So, without reference to God, what is the meaning of sacred rites? Everything is reference that accepting the supreme controller. That is the real meaning. At least, Christian religion accepts God, Muhammadan religion accepts God, or Hindu religion accepts God. So without God, how it can be religion? If there is no understanding of God, the conclusion comes that there is no religion. Fictitious. "We trust in God," but do not know what is God. This is going on. So we have to fight against all this nonsense. Nonsense scientists, nonsense religionists. What do you think? It is not easy-going, sleeping business. We have to fight with so many demons. Otherwise, kava dava adakanam (?), my Guru Maharaja used to say. Beg some rice and bring it and cook it and eat and sleep.
Pradyumna: Kava daka?
Prabhupada: Kava dava adakanam. As all our Godbrothers are doing. They have got a little temple, and a few devotees go and beg rice and cook it and eat and sleep, that's all.
Pusta Krsna: Like being dead almost.
Prabhupada: No fighting spirit. Thakura dekhiya (indistinct). Just make a Deity, show. Our Tirtha Maharaja is doing that. His whole idea was, that "I have now captured the birthplace of Caitanya Mahaprabhu by high-court favor. Now I have got everything. People will come and they'll pay something, and that will be my income for my family." As the caste gosvamis do in Navadvipa and other... A means of livelihood. He has no devotion. He wanted as a means of income. Like the Vrndavana gosvamis, Navadvipa gosvamis do. Little devotion, automatically, there is. They are, after all, worshiping the Deity. But their purpose is different. Just like we have established Radha-Vrndavanacandra not that people will come and pay something. Who will come here, in this foreign country or in this secluded place? So our aim is to make the devotees real devotees. Not for earning money. When we establish a center in a place like this, where is the idea of getting money? (laughs) Who will come here? One, it is a foreign country, nobody knows what is Krsna. And one has to come with so great difficulty, on the mountain. And who is coming to pay for it? After spending so much money, they will come here to pay? Our process is that wherever we stay, we worship Krsna. As far as possible. That we are doing. Not for earning money but spending money. Now Tirtha Maharaja is seeing that without getting Caitanya Mahaprabhu's birthsite, Swami Maharaja, he is attracting lakhs of people. Without the favor of high-court, he is attracting. That is his envy. This year, you were not present?
Pusta Krsna: At Mayapura?
Prabhupada: Oh, you were present?
Pusta Krsna: Oh, yes. There was always...
Hari-sauri: That leaflet that he put out that we saw, he put one leaflet advertising that...
Prabhupada: No, no. Apart from that leaflet... Let him do whatever nonsense... But actually, on the birthday of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, there was the greatest crowd in our temple.
Pusta Krsna: Oh, yes, there was a constant... It was just always packed.
Pradyumna: Every year, before, last year, year before, year before, Caitanya Math, only, not...
Prabhupada: Nobody goes.
Pradyumna: No, only their Math people, and some people they invite from Calcutta. But the regular people all come in to our place.
Prabhupada: Sometimes we went to Madhava Maharaja's temple?
Hari-sauri: In Vrndavana.
Prabhupada: In Vrndavana. Who was there?
Pusta Krsna: Empty. Completely no one.
Hari-sauri: They didn't even have any of their own men living there.
Pusta Krsna: They had to unlock the Deity.
Prabhupada: And that is on the prominent roadside. And our temple is off. Still, so many people are coming. Neither there were inhabitants nor their outsider, visitors. Gate was closed, we had to open and then enter. And he constructed temple at least for the last twenty years.
Pusta Krsna: They have no vision of expanding, except maybe their...
Prabhupada: They make this money-making machine. They do not know the money will automatically come you are sincere. You haven't got to make it a machine. Money Krsna will send. But they have no faith in Krsna. They have faith in their own ability. "Yes, we shall earn money in this way, by showing the Deity." They don't recognize Krsna's everything. They think "By high-court judgement, if we capture this place, then money will come."
Hari-sauri: Practically speaking, they're finished. They're on their last legs.
Prabhupada: Similarly, other svamis and yogis they are finding that this Bhaktivedanta Svami alone is preaching all over the... "We, combined, we could not do anything."
Pradyumna: They are all wondering what your secret is. They always wonder, they cannot understand.
Prabhupada: All the yogis, svamis are there. How it is possible? The Ramakrishna Mission, they are working here for the last hundred years. What they have done? If they had actually preached something, so so many American boys and gentlemen are coming to our temple, we cannot give them place. We have to find out some other, and who is going to the Ramakrishna temple?
Pradyumna: They have empty house.
Prabhupada: If actually Vivekananda preached something, out of inquisitiveness they would have gone there. So "We have heard so much about Ramakrishna and Vivekananda. Let us see what is there." Nobody goes. They do not know even the name. And we are already advertised all over the world, Hare Krsna Movement. At least, everyone knows. Who knows Ramakrishna, Vivekananda?
sreyah srutim bhaktim udasya te vibho
klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye
tesam asau klesala eva sisyate
nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam
[SB 10.14.4]
This is Brahma-stotra?
Pradyumna: Yes, Fourteenth Adhyaya. From brahmovaca, brahma-stuti.
Prabhupada: Just stick to this principle, then you will be successful. Bhakti sreyah srutim. That is the real welfare. Sreyah srutim means "expands auspicity." (apparently talking about a picture) And they want to become one with God. And here is not one, but God is so lower that He carries the shoe of His devotee. Have they got any conception like this? (laughs)
Hari-sauri: They are always talking about...
Prabhupada: There is a verse sruti mahapure sruti mahapure. You know this?
Pradyumna: Sruti apare?
Prabhupada: Sruti mahapure. (indistinct) yasya linde param brahma. "Let others worship the srutis and others smrtis, all these Vedic literature, and others Mahabharata for liberation. But I shall worship Nanda Maharaja, because in his courtyard the Param Brahma is loitering. I shall worship Nanda Maharaja. He's so powerful that he's made the Param Brahman come here and carry his shoes." Sruti mahapure (indistinct) yasya linde param brahma.
Pusta Krsna: That was by a Muslim who became Vaisnava? Once you quoted that, I think that verse, in London.
Prabhupada: That is another similar verse. Yes, you quoted me. And there is another verse by Bilvamangala, in Krsna-karnamrta. The Muslim, he said "I was searching after the Param Brahma, and now I see here He is playing with the gopis." What they will speculate? Everything is there in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Where this picture is given? (Prabhupada is being massaged)
Pradyumna: Which book is it in?
Pusta Krsna: It was on the cover of one Back to Godhead magazine.
Hari-sauri: But it's in one of the books.
Pradyumna: Lord Caitanya did the same thing. He did the same thing, and it was compared Krsna also had done.
Prabhupada: If there is no such acceptance, where is religion?
Hari-sauri: It just becomes a show. Religion nowadays has degenerated so that people more or less accept it just as some moral code now, because there's no knowledge of God.
Prabhupada: So where is that morality?
Hari-sauri: (laughs) There's no morality either.
Prabhupada: While hunting, drinking, meat-eating, is that morality?
Hari-sauri: No. (end)
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- July 2, 1976, New Vrindaban
July 1, 1976
Hari-sauri: Now they are putting out the same kind of propaganda about Mars that formerly they were putting out about the moon -- that there may be life -- so that they can use that as an excuse to go.
I just read a little bit where they say that due to information sent back by the last spaceship that they sent to Mars, now they think that there's more water vapor in the atmosphere than they at first thought.
So that means that there's a good possibility that there may be some bacterial life on Mars. So (laughs) they don't... And then they state that the temperature ranges from-130 to +40 degrees farenheit. So that means that there could be life there in a bacterial form.
Prabhupada: And why there is no life in moon planet? Some scientists say the temperature is two hundred degrees less than the zero.
Hari-sauri: Yes, at night when they said, because there's no atmosphere.
Prabhupada: But why these rascals say it is full of dust, and how from the dust so much light is coming, illuminating the whole universe? What is their logic? They have already brought the dust. That dust does not illuminate.
Hari-sauri: Well, they say just like when the sunlight hits the earth, then the earth appears very bright from outer space. It appears very illuminating.
Prabhupada: Who says?
Hari-sauri: This is the scientists' excuse. They showed some pictures taken from outer space that shows the earth glowing very brightly, like the moon. So they say in the same way when the...
Prabhupada: Why the glow of the surface of the earth does not illuminate? It does not come between illumination?
Hari-sauri: Just like when the sun is here everything is bright.
Prabhupada: That's all right, when the sun is there.
Pusta Krsna: The moon is actually illuminating.
Prabhupada: Why it does not illuminate?
Hari-sauri: They only say it reflects the sunlight.
Prabhupada: Kick their face with shoes. That is the only reward for them. And foolish persons accepting. Just like sun is illuminating. It doesn't require illumination from any other planet. Similarly, if earth is also illuminating, why does it require moonlight in darkness? This common sense does not come into the brain of these rascals who believe that?
Hari-sauri: They put their scientific reasoning to explain the different things.
Prabhupada: What is their scientific reasoning? Talking like fools and rascals? If something is illuminating, why extra illumination required to illuminate.
Pusta Krsna: Their theory is that there's a dark side of the moon that we've never seen.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Pusta Krsna: Their theory is that there's a dark..., that actually the moon is reflecting the sun's light. So there's a dark side of the moon.
Prabhupada: So far the world is, where is the dark side and the bright side? If you compare like that, then so far this globe is concerned, which one is dark side, which one is bright side?
Hari-sauri: No, they say the earth is spinning on its own axis, so all parts of the earth at one time or another receive sunlight.
Prabhupada: The moon does not do that?
Hari-sauri: The moon does not revolve on its own axis.
Prabhupada: Another foolishness.
Pusta Krsna: Just to fit their speculation.
Prabhupada: Just see. Simply speculation and misleading people.
Hari-sauri: There's no basis for it, there's no truth to it at all. (laughs)
Prabhupada: And you people believed that? I'm surprised. (laughter) You are also fools and rascals.
Hari-sauri: This is what they teach in all the schools.
Pusta Krsna: They have little models, Srila Prabhupada, made out of plastic.
Prabhupada: Ah, they are... Let them, we take them as rascals, that's all. Mudha.
Hari-sauri: That other argument that you use about how the moon rays give life to the vegetables... So how is it that there's no life on the moon? If the rays from the moon give life, then how is it there's no life where the rays come from?
Prabhupada: They have never gone to moon. (laughs) All bogus. And this Mars expedition will be a failure. Let them spend millions of dollars. I told about moon planet ten years ago. It is childish, simply a waste of money and energy. I told this. Now it has proved.
Hari-sauri: There's no more interest in the moon at all.
Prabhupada: No? Kirtanananda said "It is inhabitable." Ten years ago I said there's no use going there. It is childish, waste of money. But who hears about us? We know moon planet is inhabited by high-class living entities. (laughs) (sarcastically:) And they will allow these rascals to go by their machine.
Hari-sauri: When they originally started sending sputniks to the moon, they couldn't even land them properly. They would crash, they said that they were crash-landing spaceships into the moon's surface.
Prabhupada: Crashed?
Hari-sauri: Crash-landing. The spaceship was supposed to just smash into the surface of the moon, like that.
Prabhupada: They have never gone. Simply propaganda. Even they have gone, what is the result? Simply with big report that it is inhabitable. (Prabhupada is eating something:) What is this fiber? Finding? What are other things are there in the... Hmm? What is this? (Hari-sauri laughs) Hmm? Do they add anything more? Something reddish there?
Hari-sauri: Sometimes there's a few bugs in it. (laughs) There's some..., it's probably some strands from the mango, fiber from the mango.
Prabhupada: Do they add mango?
Hari-sauri: Yes, sometimes they put different fruits in it.
Pradyumna: Little oranges in there. You can put orange?
Hari-sauri: Strawberry and mango and this and that. They make it with some kind of ice cream machine.
Prabhupada: Hmm? This is not from machine?
Hari-sauri: No, this is from machine.
Pradyumna: You first made ice cream in New York, Srila Prabhupada? Someone told me that in 26 Second Avenue, did you make..., you made them ice cream when it was very hot?
Prabhupada: Hot?
Pradyumna: It was hot, no, the weather was hot, so you made.
Prabhupada: No, you can make ice cream in this, what is called, refrigerator. You can make.
Hari-sauri: Just make thick cream and put it in the fridge.
Pusta Krsna: "Ice" cream.
Prabhupada: (Prabhupada speaks some gibberish). Big, big words.
Pradyumna: They put everything in language. Then everyone is fooled. No one knows...
Hari-sauri: Speak as many big words as possible and don't make any point at all, and then everybody will proclaim.
Prabhupada: So gradually they'll go up to Saturn?
Pusta Krsna: If the money holds out. Actually, they've already sent some exploring rocketships way out to Saturn years ago.
Hari-sauri: Takes several years to reach.
Pusta Krsna: It's such a bluff.
Hari-sauri: How long does it take them to go to Mars?
Pradyumna: Mars and Venus also, they say.
Hari-sauri: Venus is the other one they concentrate... They think that Venus, there's a good chance there may be some life there.
Pradyumna: Venus is covered by clouds. So no one can see what is there. There's clouds all around the planet. Heavy, what do they call, so that no one can see. So they sent a rocket inside or something to go through the clouds to see what is there. Russians also tried. Fermament. In the Bible, they say that on earth there was also..., above the earth there were all clouds at one time according to the Bible. And then at that time men used to live very, very long, and then the clouds went away at some point. They call it a firmament. So the same thing is on Venus. No one can see what the planet is like, no one has ever known. That is also a heavenly, we say also... That is Sukracarya's place?
Prabhupada: Not Sukracarya's, just Sukra.
Pradyumna: Just Sukra.
Prabhupada: May be Sukracarya's place. What benefit they will have? Nothing. This is science. Without any aim, without any objective.
Hari-sauri: What they're doing is entirely pointless. There's no proper reason for any of it. Because they aren't improving their actual living standards by it. They are... It's just like a jnani, he thinks advancement of knowledge, just to simply acquire any amount of knowledge.
Prabhupada: Kevala-bodha-labdhaye. They are described: Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye. Simply works hard simply to know things. No benefit. These rascals are like that. Kevala-bodha-labdhaye.
Hari-sauri: That's the futility of the university system now. They are going and they're accumulating knowledge which is worthless for living. It has no practical value, so all the youth are becoming very frustrated.
Prabhupada: Any sane man will be frustrated. Why you are spending money and going there? Kevala-bodha-labdhaya, klisyanti kevala, bhaktim.... Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye tesam asau klesala eva sisyate nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam. Just like the husk... The outer portion of rice? If there is rice, you husk, beat it, rice will come. The rice is not there, simply husk, what is the use of this beating? It is like that. Rice will not come, simply they are trying to beat it. So the result is they become tired, that's all. They only result is they'll become tired. Klesala eva sisyate, that's all. The result of hard labor is tiresome. So they'll get that only, that's all. They are satisfied, "Now we are tiresome, let us sleep." What you have gotten? "Dust." That's all. This is the philosophy. Bhaktim, what is that verse?
Pradyumna: Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]?
Prabhupada: Huh? That's not it. Klesala, klesala.
Pradyumna: Klesadikataras, klesa?
Prabhupada: Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye tesam asau klesala eva sisyate nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam.
Hari-sauri: It's from the Bhagavatam?
Prabhupada: Yes, it is mentioned in the Caitanya-caritamrta. Any process you accept, rejecting devotional service, the result will be that there is no profit. You simply labor for nothing, as much as to beat the husk, you'll never get the rice, you will simply be tiresome, that's all. Just like so-called religion. There is no faith in God. There is no need of God, and "religion." This is nonsense. Religion means without God? This is going on. God, you can accept anyone, Ramakrishna Mission. Any rascal...He was a fool, illiterate rascal, Ramakrishna. He became God. No standard, and they are propagating Ramakrishna Mission. As we are preaching Krsna is God, they are preaching Ramakrishna. And who's accepting them? For the last hundred years, they are preaching. So who has become a devotee of Ramakrishna?
Pusta Krsna: It's absurd to even think about becoming a devotee of Ramakrishna.
Prabhupada: You have got Caitanya-caritamrta?
Pradyumna: I think it is Tenth Canto. Sreyah srutim bhaktim? I've been making a list of all the verses that you quote most.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Pradyumna:
sreyah srutim bhaktim udasya te vibho
klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye
tesam asau klesala eva sisyate
nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam
[SB 10.14.4]
Prabhupada: There is note?
Pradyumna: Bhaktim vina jnanam tu naiva siddhyed ity aha (indistinct) sreyah srutim iti; sreyasam abhyudayapavarga-laksananam srtih saranam, yasyah sarasa iva nirjharanam, tam te tava bhaktim udasya tyaktva sreyasam marga-bhutam iti va; tesam klesalah klesa evavasisyate. Ayam bhavan (indistinct) yatha alpapramanam dhanyam parityajya antah (indistinct) kanahinam sthula-dhanyabhasams tusaneva (indistinct) vaghnanti, tesam na kincit phalam, evam bhaktim tucchi-krtya ye kevala-bodhaya prayatante, tesam apiti.
Prabhupada: Yes. Simply tiresome, that's all. Religion, no God. There are so many religions.
Hari-sauri: Soon as they forget the actual religion then there are so many concoctions.
Prabhupada: "This is our religion." What is religion? "No God." What is religion? Then, those who are godless, they have got religion. Atheism has got religion. Then why bring this religion? What is the meaning of religion? Just see.
Pradyumna: One time we went to a church in Boston to speak. They had only a pulpit for the preacher, and behind, no altar, no crucifix, nothing, just big map of outer space with planets on the wall. Not even any Christian church, but no cross, nothing. Only universe. Universalist Church, it's called. The Universalists.
Prabhupada: That's nice, but give some information of the universe.
Hari-sauri: Says, "Religion: 1. monastic condition, being a monk or a nun, enter into a monastic order; 2. practice of sacred rites; 3. one of the prevalent systems of faith and worship, i.e. Christian, Muhammadan, etc.; 4. human recognition of superhuman controlling power and especially of a personal God entitled to obedience, effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude."
Prabhupada: This is religion. Personal conception of God.
Hari-sauri: And then "5. action that one is bound to do."
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything is there. Any one of them you take. That's good idea, but special conception of personal God, huh? What is that?
Hari-sauri: "Human recognition of superhuman controlling power and especially of a personal God entitled to obedience."
Prabhupada: That's all, clear. What are the other items?
Hari-sauri: Then, "the effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude." And then "action that one is bound to do."
Prabhupada: One is bound to do. Dharmena hina pasubhih samana. If he does not do, then he's animal. It must be done. There is no question of optional. If you are human being, you must be religious, you must recognize the supreme controller. Otherwise, you are animal. What is the other interpretations? Beginning one?
Hari-sauri: "Monastic condition, being a monk or a nun."
Prabhupada: Just like every religion has got some condition, monastic, is it not?
Hari-sauri: Yes, every religion has a system of priests.
Prabhupada: (Coughs severely for a few minutes) Monastic condition?
Hari-sauri: "Practice of sacred rites."
Prabhupada: So, without reference to God, what is the meaning of sacred rites? Everything is reference that accepting the supreme controller. That is the real meaning. At least, Christian religion accepts God, Muhammadan religion accepts God, or Hindu religion accepts God. So without God, how it can be religion? If there is no understanding of God, the conclusion comes that there is no religion. Fictitious. "We trust in God," but do not know what is God. This is going on. So we have to fight against all this nonsense. Nonsense scientists, nonsense religionists. What do you think? It is not easy-going, sleeping business. We have to fight with so many demons. Otherwise, kava dava adakanam (?), my Guru Maharaja used to say. Beg some rice and bring it and cook it and eat and sleep.
Pradyumna: Kava daka?
Prabhupada: Kava dava adakanam. As all our Godbrothers are doing. They have got a little temple, and a few devotees go and beg rice and cook it and eat and sleep, that's all.
Pusta Krsna: Like being dead almost.
Prabhupada: No fighting spirit. Thakura dekhiya (indistinct). Just make a Deity, show. Our Tirtha Maharaja is doing that. His whole idea was, that "I have now captured the birthplace of Caitanya Mahaprabhu by high-court favor. Now I have got everything. People will come and they'll pay something, and that will be my income for my family." As the caste gosvamis do in Navadvipa and other... A means of livelihood. He has no devotion. He wanted as a means of income. Like the Vrndavana gosvamis, Navadvipa gosvamis do. Little devotion, automatically, there is. They are, after all, worshiping the Deity. But their purpose is different. Just like we have established Radha-Vrndavanacandra not that people will come and pay something. Who will come here, in this foreign country or in this secluded place? So our aim is to make the devotees real devotees. Not for earning money. When we establish a center in a place like this, where is the idea of getting money? (laughs) Who will come here? One, it is a foreign country, nobody knows what is Krsna. And one has to come with so great difficulty, on the mountain. And who is coming to pay for it? After spending so much money, they will come here to pay? Our process is that wherever we stay, we worship Krsna. As far as possible. That we are doing. Not for earning money but spending money. Now Tirtha Maharaja is seeing that without getting Caitanya Mahaprabhu's birthsite, Swami Maharaja, he is attracting lakhs of people. Without the favor of high-court, he is attracting. That is his envy. This year, you were not present?
Pusta Krsna: At Mayapura?
Prabhupada: Oh, you were present?
Pusta Krsna: Oh, yes. There was always...
Hari-sauri: That leaflet that he put out that we saw, he put one leaflet advertising that...
Prabhupada: No, no. Apart from that leaflet... Let him do whatever nonsense... But actually, on the birthday of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, there was the greatest crowd in our temple.
Pusta Krsna: Oh, yes, there was a constant... It was just always packed.
Pradyumna: Every year, before, last year, year before, year before, Caitanya Math, only, not...
Prabhupada: Nobody goes.
Pradyumna: No, only their Math people, and some people they invite from Calcutta. But the regular people all come in to our place.
Prabhupada: Sometimes we went to Madhava Maharaja's temple?
Hari-sauri: In Vrndavana.
Prabhupada: In Vrndavana. Who was there?
Pusta Krsna: Empty. Completely no one.
Hari-sauri: They didn't even have any of their own men living there.
Pusta Krsna: They had to unlock the Deity.
Prabhupada: And that is on the prominent roadside. And our temple is off. Still, so many people are coming. Neither there were inhabitants nor their outsider, visitors. Gate was closed, we had to open and then enter. And he constructed temple at least for the last twenty years.
Pusta Krsna: They have no vision of expanding, except maybe their...
Prabhupada: They make this money-making machine. They do not know the money will automatically come you are sincere. You haven't got to make it a machine. Money Krsna will send. But they have no faith in Krsna. They have faith in their own ability. "Yes, we shall earn money in this way, by showing the Deity." They don't recognize Krsna's everything. They think "By high-court judgement, if we capture this place, then money will come."
Hari-sauri: Practically speaking, they're finished. They're on their last legs.
Prabhupada: Similarly, other svamis and yogis they are finding that this Bhaktivedanta Svami alone is preaching all over the... "We, combined, we could not do anything."
Pradyumna: They are all wondering what your secret is. They always wonder, they cannot understand.
Prabhupada: All the yogis, svamis are there. How it is possible? The Ramakrishna Mission, they are working here for the last hundred years. What they have done? If they had actually preached something, so so many American boys and gentlemen are coming to our temple, we cannot give them place. We have to find out some other, and who is going to the Ramakrishna temple?
Pradyumna: They have empty house.
Prabhupada: If actually Vivekananda preached something, out of inquisitiveness they would have gone there. So "We have heard so much about Ramakrishna and Vivekananda. Let us see what is there." Nobody goes. They do not know even the name. And we are already advertised all over the world, Hare Krsna Movement. At least, everyone knows. Who knows Ramakrishna, Vivekananda?
sreyah srutim bhaktim udasya te vibho
klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye
tesam asau klesala eva sisyate
nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam
[SB 10.14.4]
This is Brahma-stotra?
Pradyumna: Yes, Fourteenth Adhyaya. From brahmovaca, brahma-stuti.
Prabhupada: Just stick to this principle, then you will be successful. Bhakti sreyah srutim. That is the real welfare. Sreyah srutim means "expands auspicity." (apparently talking about a picture) And they want to become one with God. And here is not one, but God is so lower that He carries the shoe of His devotee. Have they got any conception like this? (laughs)
Hari-sauri: They are always talking about...
Prabhupada: There is a verse sruti mahapure sruti mahapure. You know this?
Pradyumna: Sruti apare?
Prabhupada: Sruti mahapure. (indistinct) yasya linde param brahma. "Let others worship the srutis and others smrtis, all these Vedic literature, and others Mahabharata for liberation. But I shall worship Nanda Maharaja, because in his courtyard the Param Brahma is loitering. I shall worship Nanda Maharaja. He's so powerful that he's made the Param Brahman come here and carry his shoes." Sruti mahapure (indistinct) yasya linde param brahma.
Pusta Krsna: That was by a Muslim who became Vaisnava? Once you quoted that, I think that verse, in London.
Prabhupada: That is another similar verse. Yes, you quoted me. And there is another verse by Bilvamangala, in Krsna-karnamrta. The Muslim, he said "I was searching after the Param Brahma, and now I see here He is playing with the gopis." What they will speculate? Everything is there in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Where this picture is given? (Prabhupada is being massaged)
Pradyumna: Which book is it in?
Pusta Krsna: It was on the cover of one Back to Godhead magazine.
Hari-sauri: But it's in one of the books.
Pradyumna: Lord Caitanya did the same thing. He did the same thing, and it was compared Krsna also had done.
Prabhupada: If there is no such acceptance, where is religion?
Hari-sauri: It just becomes a show. Religion nowadays has degenerated so that people more or less accept it just as some moral code now, because there's no knowledge of God.
Prabhupada: So where is that morality?
Hari-sauri: (laughs) There's no morality either.
Prabhupada: While hunting, drinking, meat-eating, is that morality?
Hari-sauri: No. (end)
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- July 2, 1976, New Vrindaban
The Geocentric Design Of The Solar System
This photo is of the Geocentric system of the Solar System where the Planets and Sun orbit the Earth. A similar technologically advanced diorama of this structure is presently being built at Mayapur West Bengal India that will house the Vedic Planetarium opening in 2016.
It is similar because in Sadupta dasa’s Book, Vedic Cosmology, he explains how the Moon is closer to the Earth Planet than the Sun, although on many occasions on morning walks and lectures, Srila Prabhupada has said that the Sun is closer and to arrive at the Moon one must first travel past the Sun.
The other so called hypothesis is the Heliocentric design where the Sun is the center of the Solar system meaning all the Planets orbit the Sun which is the present day scientific explanation that Srila Prabhupada rejected.
As devotee of the Gaudiya teachings and ISKCON we only accept the shastric explanation given to us by Srila Prabhupada who clearly says the Geocentric system is the correct one as the photo attempts to show.
Actually the Heliocentric theory is relatively new, even the Catholic Church officially believes in the Geocentric system as does the teachings of Islam.
Only due to modern science and the beginning of the so called age of ‘Enlightenment’ in the 17th Century did modern man start questioning all major Religious teachings of the Geocentric system however, as devotees we fully accept the authority of the Srimad Bhagavatam given to us by Srila Prabhupada meaning we accept the Geocentric model only.
As from 2016 when the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium is finished, the Geocentric System will become more known to the world and to many devotees who have not studied the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam in detail.
This will definitely create more interest in the Geocentric design and the Krsna Conscious Movement and without a doubt it will create great interest where many documentaries around the world on this subject will bring many millions of people to Mayapur.
Of course modern science will challenge the Srimad Bhagavatam while other will come to accept the great wisdom of the Vedas and Srila Prabhupada’s Books that are found today in most languages around the world.
So get ready for 2016 when the wisdom of the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium in Mayapur comes on line for the whole world to see, bringing in a new (or very old) area of cosmology to the world.
The Geocentric model according to Srimad Bhagavatam differs greatly from the Christian and Islamic Geocentric model the painting above is based on. Among other things such as being Merucentric, the Srimad Bhagavatam model would have to show Venus and Mercury orbiting the sun as the sun orbits the earth (when seen from a geocentric point of view).
Sadapta dasa explains that Bhumandala is earth centered. Its innermost island, Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly identified as the planet earth.
In contrast, the orbits of the planets are centered on the sun. How, then, can they be compared to earth-centered features of Bhumandala?
The geocentric orbit of a planet is a product of two heliocentric motions, the motion of the earth around the sun and the motion of the planet around the sun. To draw it, we shift to the earth as center, and show planets like Mercury orbiting the sun, which in turn orbits the earth.
If we compare Bhu-mandala with the Earth, the solar system out to Saturn, and the Milky Way galaxy, Bhu-mandala matches the solar system closely, while radically differing in size from Earth and the galaxy.
The structures of Bhu-mandala correspond with the planetary orbits of the solar system If we compare the rings of Bhu-mandala with the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, we find several close alignments that give weight to the hypothesis that Bhu-mandala was deliberately designed as a map of the solar system.
The Bhagavatam 5th Canto describes the planets revolving around Mount Meru attached by ropes of wind known as pravaha. The earth is closest to Mount Meru, followed by the Sun, Moon, Mars and so on.
Also the Sun is 14,00,000 times bigger than the Earth and the Moon is twice as large as the Sun. The above model needs to be modified quite a bit before it can be implemented in the Vedic planetarium, since we need to present the Bhagavatam’s version whether or not it conforms to the modern “scientific” version or not.
Merucentric is Geocentric. Bhumandala is the solar system and is earth centered. Bhumandala is far too big to be the earth, but in size it turns out quite a reasonable match for the solar system.
Mount Meru is situated in the center of Bhumandala and shaped like an inverted cone, with a radius ranging from 8,000 yojanas at the bottom to 16,000 yojanas at the top.
Bhumandala’s innermost island, Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Shrila Prabhupada has repeatedly identified as the planet earth so Merucentric is Geocentric
In the Bhagavatam, Bhumandala—the “earth mandala”—is a disk 500 million yojanas in diameter. The yojana is a unit of distance about 8 miles long, and so the diameter of Bhumandala is about 4 billion miles. Bhumandala is marked by circular features designated as islands and oceans.
Bhumandala appears to be a highly artificial portrayal of the earth as an enormous flat disk, with continents and oceans that do not tally with geographical experience. But careful consideration shows that Bhumandala does not really represent the earth at all. To see why, we have to consider the motion of the sun.
In the Bhagavatam the sun is said to travel on a chariot. The wheel of this chariot is made of parts of the year, such as months and seasons. So it might be argued that the chariot is meant to be taken metaphorically, rather than literally. But here we are concerned more with the chariot’s dimensions than with its composition. The chariot has an axle that rests at one end on Mount Meru, in the center of Jambudvipa
The sun rides on a platform joined to the axle at an elevation of 100,000 thousand yojanas from the surface of Bhumandala. Since the axle extends from Mount Meru to Mount Manasottara, its length must be 15,750 thousand yojanas, or 157.5 times as long as the height of the sun above Bhumandala.
Since the sun’s platform is somewhere on the axle between Meru (in the center) and the wheel (running on the circular track of Manasottara), it follows that to an observer at the center the sun always seems very close to the surface of Bhumandala.
Your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa
This photo is of the Geocentric system of the Solar System where the Planets and Sun orbit the Earth. A similar technologically advanced diorama of this structure is presently being built at Mayapur West Bengal India that will house the Vedic Planetarium opening in 2016.
It is similar because in Sadupta dasa’s Book, Vedic Cosmology, he explains how the Moon is closer to the Earth Planet than the Sun, although on many occasions on morning walks and lectures, Srila Prabhupada has said that the Sun is closer and to arrive at the Moon one must first travel past the Sun.
The other so called hypothesis is the Heliocentric design where the Sun is the center of the Solar system meaning all the Planets orbit the Sun which is the present day scientific explanation that Srila Prabhupada rejected.
As devotee of the Gaudiya teachings and ISKCON we only accept the shastric explanation given to us by Srila Prabhupada who clearly says the Geocentric system is the correct one as the photo attempts to show.
Actually the Heliocentric theory is relatively new, even the Catholic Church officially believes in the Geocentric system as does the teachings of Islam.
Only due to modern science and the beginning of the so called age of ‘Enlightenment’ in the 17th Century did modern man start questioning all major Religious teachings of the Geocentric system however, as devotees we fully accept the authority of the Srimad Bhagavatam given to us by Srila Prabhupada meaning we accept the Geocentric model only.
As from 2016 when the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium is finished, the Geocentric System will become more known to the world and to many devotees who have not studied the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam in detail.
This will definitely create more interest in the Geocentric design and the Krsna Conscious Movement and without a doubt it will create great interest where many documentaries around the world on this subject will bring many millions of people to Mayapur.
Of course modern science will challenge the Srimad Bhagavatam while other will come to accept the great wisdom of the Vedas and Srila Prabhupada’s Books that are found today in most languages around the world.
So get ready for 2016 when the wisdom of the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium in Mayapur comes on line for the whole world to see, bringing in a new (or very old) area of cosmology to the world.
The Geocentric model according to Srimad Bhagavatam differs greatly from the Christian and Islamic Geocentric model the painting above is based on. Among other things such as being Merucentric, the Srimad Bhagavatam model would have to show Venus and Mercury orbiting the sun as the sun orbits the earth (when seen from a geocentric point of view).
Sadapta dasa explains that Bhumandala is earth centered. Its innermost island, Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly identified as the planet earth.
In contrast, the orbits of the planets are centered on the sun. How, then, can they be compared to earth-centered features of Bhumandala?
The geocentric orbit of a planet is a product of two heliocentric motions, the motion of the earth around the sun and the motion of the planet around the sun. To draw it, we shift to the earth as center, and show planets like Mercury orbiting the sun, which in turn orbits the earth.
If we compare Bhu-mandala with the Earth, the solar system out to Saturn, and the Milky Way galaxy, Bhu-mandala matches the solar system closely, while radically differing in size from Earth and the galaxy.
The structures of Bhu-mandala correspond with the planetary orbits of the solar system If we compare the rings of Bhu-mandala with the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, we find several close alignments that give weight to the hypothesis that Bhu-mandala was deliberately designed as a map of the solar system.
The Bhagavatam 5th Canto describes the planets revolving around Mount Meru attached by ropes of wind known as pravaha. The earth is closest to Mount Meru, followed by the Sun, Moon, Mars and so on.
Also the Sun is 14,00,000 times bigger than the Earth and the Moon is twice as large as the Sun. The above model needs to be modified quite a bit before it can be implemented in the Vedic planetarium, since we need to present the Bhagavatam’s version whether or not it conforms to the modern “scientific” version or not.
Merucentric is Geocentric. Bhumandala is the solar system and is earth centered. Bhumandala is far too big to be the earth, but in size it turns out quite a reasonable match for the solar system.
Mount Meru is situated in the center of Bhumandala and shaped like an inverted cone, with a radius ranging from 8,000 yojanas at the bottom to 16,000 yojanas at the top.
Bhumandala’s innermost island, Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Shrila Prabhupada has repeatedly identified as the planet earth so Merucentric is Geocentric
In the Bhagavatam, Bhumandala—the “earth mandala”—is a disk 500 million yojanas in diameter. The yojana is a unit of distance about 8 miles long, and so the diameter of Bhumandala is about 4 billion miles. Bhumandala is marked by circular features designated as islands and oceans.
Bhumandala appears to be a highly artificial portrayal of the earth as an enormous flat disk, with continents and oceans that do not tally with geographical experience. But careful consideration shows that Bhumandala does not really represent the earth at all. To see why, we have to consider the motion of the sun.
In the Bhagavatam the sun is said to travel on a chariot. The wheel of this chariot is made of parts of the year, such as months and seasons. So it might be argued that the chariot is meant to be taken metaphorically, rather than literally. But here we are concerned more with the chariot’s dimensions than with its composition. The chariot has an axle that rests at one end on Mount Meru, in the center of Jambudvipa
The sun rides on a platform joined to the axle at an elevation of 100,000 thousand yojanas from the surface of Bhumandala. Since the axle extends from Mount Meru to Mount Manasottara, its length must be 15,750 thousand yojanas, or 157.5 times as long as the height of the sun above Bhumandala.
Since the sun’s platform is somewhere on the axle between Meru (in the center) and the wheel (running on the circular track of Manasottara), it follows that to an observer at the center the sun always seems very close to the surface of Bhumandala.
Your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, Part 6
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
Their distances per Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto. I shall be using the symbol / for division and the symbol x for multiplication.
In our previous calculations we have used the 0 degree celestial or planetary orbit around Earth's equator for our equations. Now we must use Venus's lowest orbit to derive the distance to Mars.
Venus 's orbit around the equator must be divided by cos (27.8). The math is 729,886,420.9 / cos (27.8) = 825,121,092.8. Now we work the formula as we already have been. The math is as follows:
825,121,092.8 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 160,000) x 2,031,946,146 =120,341,776.1 / 27.2 x 360 = 1,592,758,801. Now divide by 2 = 796379400.6 (The number 27.2 is the declination of the planet).
To get Jupiter we must first divide Mars circumference by cos (27.2) to get its extreme of orbit = 895,395,480.1
The math to find Jupiter is as follows: 895,395,480.1 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + =1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000) x (2,031,946,146 / 2) / 23.5 x 360 = 960,559,313.1. (The number 23.5 is the declination of the planet.)
To get Saturn we use the number 960,559,313.1 without alteration. The math is as follows: 960,559,313.1 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 16,000,000 + 16,000,000 + 1,600,000 = 1,600,000) x (2,031,946,146 / 2) / 22.8 x 360 = 1,021,042,287. (The number 22.8 is the declination of the planet.)
[Note to those doing this math, I am going to consolidate the numbers added to the Sun's chariot for easier calculation in the following equation.]
Now to find the 7 sages (Big Dipper, Ursae Majoris) we must first multiply 1,021,042,287 by 2 = 2,042,084,574. Now we proceed to find the 7 sages. The math looks like this: 2,042,084,574 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 2,400,000 + (5 x 1,600,000) + 8,800,000) x 2,031,946,146 / 59.04766825 = 3,850,106.169 x 360 = 1,386,038,221.
In this way, through a series of articles, we have worked backwards from Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 24, text 6 and from Chapter 21 forward to meet at the 7 sages, and we find that the numbers work. We conclude that this is a mathematical system and that it describes the distance to planetary bodies.
My spiritual master Srila Prabhupada wanted a Vedic planetarium built on this model and if I have contributed to that dream in any way, I am grateful.
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
Their distances per Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto. I shall be using the symbol / for division and the symbol x for multiplication.
In our previous calculations we have used the 0 degree celestial or planetary orbit around Earth's equator for our equations. Now we must use Venus's lowest orbit to derive the distance to Mars.
Venus 's orbit around the equator must be divided by cos (27.8). The math is 729,886,420.9 / cos (27.8) = 825,121,092.8. Now we work the formula as we already have been. The math is as follows:
825,121,092.8 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 160,000) x 2,031,946,146 =120,341,776.1 / 27.2 x 360 = 1,592,758,801. Now divide by 2 = 796379400.6 (The number 27.2 is the declination of the planet).
To get Jupiter we must first divide Mars circumference by cos (27.2) to get its extreme of orbit = 895,395,480.1
The math to find Jupiter is as follows: 895,395,480.1 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + =1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000) x (2,031,946,146 / 2) / 23.5 x 360 = 960,559,313.1. (The number 23.5 is the declination of the planet.)
To get Saturn we use the number 960,559,313.1 without alteration. The math is as follows: 960,559,313.1 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 + 16,000,000 + 16,000,000 + 1,600,000 = 1,600,000) x (2,031,946,146 / 2) / 22.8 x 360 = 1,021,042,287. (The number 22.8 is the declination of the planet.)
[Note to those doing this math, I am going to consolidate the numbers added to the Sun's chariot for easier calculation in the following equation.]
Now to find the 7 sages (Big Dipper, Ursae Majoris) we must first multiply 1,021,042,287 by 2 = 2,042,084,574. Now we proceed to find the 7 sages. The math looks like this: 2,042,084,574 / 360 / (31,500,000 + 2,400,000 + (5 x 1,600,000) + 8,800,000) x 2,031,946,146 / 59.04766825 = 3,850,106.169 x 360 = 1,386,038,221.
In this way, through a series of articles, we have worked backwards from Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 24, text 6 and from Chapter 21 forward to meet at the 7 sages, and we find that the numbers work. We conclude that this is a mathematical system and that it describes the distance to planetary bodies.
My spiritual master Srila Prabhupada wanted a Vedic planetarium built on this model and if I have contributed to that dream in any way, I am grateful.
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, Part Five
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
The Spiritual and Material Worlds
We are in the spiritual world always but we are now in a portion that is covered over by matter. The mechanism of the material universe portion of the spiritual sky, measuring one quarter of Krishna's creation (spiritual sky), is just like an organized machine with moving parts.
Those moving parts are all the material planetary systems; the planets are organized just like a clock is designed and works because of the clock maker. Modern scientists however, cannot find the winder and maintainer of that clock and speculate wrongly of how the universe works.
There is therefore a central line east and west, north and south because the universe has dimensions. (Maha Visnu is breathing out each universe). Meru in this universe (one of billions) is located on that central line and the planets, according to Vedic sastra, turn around that and a form of wind is propelling them.
Mount Meru is in each material universe. It is none other than the stable of a gigantic lotus flower, which grows from the navel of Lord Vishnu. On the top is situated Satyaloka, where Lord Brahma resides. This lotus flower is also Virat Rupa of the Lord. In His upper portions is situated the heavenly planet, in His middle portions is situated the earthly planets and in the lower portions is situated the lower - hellish planets.
The hells are located underneath Bhuloka. Then below the hells are the subterranean planets. Or the subterranean planets come first and then the hells. We shall have to work out the math. It is there in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto.
Bhuloka is always pictured as flat but it is described as roundish in Surya Siddhanta. So it is like an upside-down bowl and the hells are underneath.
The single Sun moves around this Mount Meru and all other planets move around the Sun and Mount Meru.
Understanding Bhurloka
Bhurloka, or Bhu-mandala is possibly the Solar System consisting of seven spheres (dvipas) - Jambudvipa, Plaksadvipa, Salmalidvipa, Kusadvipa, Krauncadvipa, Sakadvipa, Puskaradvipa - which are inhabited by various human beings. Bhumandala is earth centered. Its innermost island, Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly identified as the planet Earth.
Srimad Bhagavatam 5.16.5 further explains:
"The planetary system known as Bhu-mandala resembles a lotus flower, and its seven islands resemble the whorl of that flower. The length and breadth of the island known as Jambudvipa, which is situated in the middle of the whorl, are one million yojanas [eight million miles]. Jambudvipa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower."
The planet Earth is situated within Jambudvipa and is known as karma-bhumi (Visnu Purana 2.3.2), which is one of the central planets within the 14 planetary systems of this universe. On this earthly planet new karma is created, therefore planet earth is a karmic crossroad where one's pious and impious activity determines where one takes their next birth within the 14 planetary systems. On this planet I will decide about my future situation, heavenly or hellish, by acting in a particular way, as the 5th Canto 5.13.21 of Srimad Bhagavatam explains:
"King Rahugana said: This birth as a human being is the best of all. Even birth among the demigods in the heavenly planets is not as glorious as birth as a human being on this earth. What is the use of the exalted position of a demigod? In the heavenly planets, due to profuse material comforts, there is no possibility of associating with devotees."
The modern scientists take no help from sastra and speculate that every force is material. But they have not been able to create a "living body" or bring a dead body to life. They simply speculate. And unintelligent people are impressed with their mindless (devoid of advanced spiritual values) speculation.
Sadaputa presents the Bhuloka or Jambudvipa and Meru as well as other islands and seas as flat. According to Surya Siddhanta it is round like and upside-down bowl.
With Meru on the top it is in the center. One reason mathematically it is so, is that the planets are having degrees north and south and they should not "crash into" Bhuloka. If the planets crash into Bhuloka then we take Bhuloka as a "subtle" land or as "symbolic" of other things. Bhu is this land, bhavah is outer space, sva is upper spaces as in the Gayatri mantra, where we chant, om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam. Above the Bhuloka planetary system is Bhuvarloka, and above that is Svargaloka, the heavenly planetary system
All these planetary systems are controlled by Savita, the Sun-god. By chanting the Gayatrī mantra just after rising early in the morning, one worships the Sun-god. (Srimad Bhagavatam 5.1.31)
Further in the 5th Canto, Chapter 21, text 7 it is said that there is "sunrise, sunset, midday and midnight" on the four corners of Bhu loka. This can only be if it is round. If it were flat the Sun would be further away but always seen in the sky.
It is a contentious point that Srila Prabhupada might not have revealed all about this matter to us he knew, or that he might have counted upon us to research it in depth and find out more than he reveals.
On many occasions Srila Prabhupada asked his disciples to find Vedic scholars who are familiar with the Srimad Bhagavatam's version of the universe however, Srila Prabhupada found out that many so-called Vedic scholars are either useless (they had no idea) or that such rare bonafide scholars were hard to find. This is revealed in a conversation Srila Prabhupada had with Vedic Astronomer Agnihotram Ramanuja Tattvacarya on April 30, 1977, Bombay. http://prabhupadavani.org/BA_scripts/201-300/770430R2-BOMBAY.html
As an example of research, I have noticed that the Earth is always thought to be the planet that Lord Varaha lifts from the ocean at the end of partial pralaya. But in many Puranas, Varaha lifts the entire Bhuloka from the waters. Even Meru has been dislodged and He restores it.
Krauncha dvipa is one of the seven islands surrounding Meru. There is said in the Puranas that Krauncha dvipa has the mark of one of Lord Varaha's tusks in it. If Srila Prabhupada did not go into this in great detail, this may be due to our beginning nature as devotees, or that he wanted us to do the research to understand this further.
Sadaputa dasa has taken the approach that the dimensions are not perceivable by the senses, which in some cases may be true, like the servants of Yamaraj are not seen when they come to collect an embodied soul at the death of their human biological body. But if we are calculating the distance to the Sun from Bhagavatam, the Sun is a perceivable object. Then suddenly Meru is not perceivable?
So we have to distinguish what we mean by unperceivable. Do we mean because it is out of view? India was out of my view before I visited there. But I was able to perceive it in other ways. Or is something imperceptible because it is composed of subtle matter?
In a morning walk Srila Prabhupada mentioned a mountain of Gold. He was referring to Meru. And he said, "If they learn of it they shall be mad to go there." Go where? If it is subtle matter the people could never go there.
The Ganges water is falling on Lord Siva's head, on a mountain known as Kailasa, 80,000 miles tall or so. If the Ganges is real is not the mountain and Lord Siva's form also real?
Today I listened to a lecture on the 9th Chapter of Bhagavad-gita As It Is given in 1976 in Melbourne Australia. In the question and answer portion Srila Prabhupada clearly explained that the Moon is higher than the Sun in that it travels higher than the Sun.
Often this is misunderstood. People hear this and think his meaning is that the Moon is "further away" than the Sun. This is clearly not his meaning. If something amazing could exist in this multi-layered approach it could certainly exist in a single universe theory also. Sometimes a magician like Dynamo is very wonderful and we cannot see how he has defied logic. But it is a simple trick.
Because you do not "see" Meru does not mean it is not there. It defies our so-called logic, because we are like animals that within this body there is something eternal. It defies our foolish minds that Brahma has got a lifespan from the beginning of the universe to the end.
So many things are beyond our capabilities. We should not try to bring them down to our puny way of understanding. There is one insect that lives thru the night. He hovers around the light. In the morning you can sweep those dead insects into a pile. Those insects cannot imagine your lifespan, they would think it "imagination". If they were clever they would say, "That must be in an alternate universe, certainly not in 'mine."
The modern scientists or the layman look at a photograph of the Sun from their telescopes and space probes and explain that the entire Sun is nothing but burning gases. They cannot reproduce this Sun even on the tiniest scale in their laboratory.
They have never experienced anything like the Sun on this earth that continues to burn. They have created the atomic bomb but it burns out. It does not continue to burn like the Sun. The scientists cannot imagine that it is possible because they cannot do it.
They speculate that the Sun is a "chain reaction of gases exploding from within then moving to the Sun's surface". All speculation. They cannot imagine that they are seeing the clouds around the Sun and that underneath these clouds there is a race of people living there.
Their limited experience is that heat makes water evaporate and turn into clouds however, they do not imagine that that water travels in atomic form to the Sun itself, as the Matsya Purana explains, and is then expelled in the same way.
Modern scientists also cannot extract water from certain gases. They also do not think water is there in outer space, but because they are unable to presently see its existence, that does not mean it cannot be there.
On this Earth at the north and south poles under the water, fish are living and also in the human body there are fierce temperatures in the stomach acid where microbes and bacteria are living. The idea of people living on the Sun is not within the modern scientist's ability to fathom at present.
But remember, scientists do not believe there is a soul in the body which cannot be burned etc. (as described in second chapter of Bhagavad-gita). They cannot imagine varieties of bodies constructed to withstand extreme temperatures.
Modern science works exclusively on the principle that "all is matter" and life must only be here or on one similar planet that can support the kind of life we have here.
Maha Visnu is lying in the Causal Ocean and glances over material nature, introducing the myriad living entities into this universe in the same way Vivasvan, an incarnation of the Lord, is drawing the material molecules or atoms of water to the Sun globe.
Matsya Purana says that the Sun is drawing water from Bhuloka up to Dhruvaloka. If the Sun is "drawing" water, isn't it possible for him to "draw it" all the way to Himself?
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
The Spiritual and Material Worlds
We are in the spiritual world always but we are now in a portion that is covered over by matter. The mechanism of the material universe portion of the spiritual sky, measuring one quarter of Krishna's creation (spiritual sky), is just like an organized machine with moving parts.
Those moving parts are all the material planetary systems; the planets are organized just like a clock is designed and works because of the clock maker. Modern scientists however, cannot find the winder and maintainer of that clock and speculate wrongly of how the universe works.
There is therefore a central line east and west, north and south because the universe has dimensions. (Maha Visnu is breathing out each universe). Meru in this universe (one of billions) is located on that central line and the planets, according to Vedic sastra, turn around that and a form of wind is propelling them.
Mount Meru is in each material universe. It is none other than the stable of a gigantic lotus flower, which grows from the navel of Lord Vishnu. On the top is situated Satyaloka, where Lord Brahma resides. This lotus flower is also Virat Rupa of the Lord. In His upper portions is situated the heavenly planet, in His middle portions is situated the earthly planets and in the lower portions is situated the lower - hellish planets.
The hells are located underneath Bhuloka. Then below the hells are the subterranean planets. Or the subterranean planets come first and then the hells. We shall have to work out the math. It is there in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto.
Bhuloka is always pictured as flat but it is described as roundish in Surya Siddhanta. So it is like an upside-down bowl and the hells are underneath.
The single Sun moves around this Mount Meru and all other planets move around the Sun and Mount Meru.
Understanding Bhurloka
Bhurloka, or Bhu-mandala is possibly the Solar System consisting of seven spheres (dvipas) - Jambudvipa, Plaksadvipa, Salmalidvipa, Kusadvipa, Krauncadvipa, Sakadvipa, Puskaradvipa - which are inhabited by various human beings. Bhumandala is earth centered. Its innermost island, Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly identified as the planet Earth.
Srimad Bhagavatam 5.16.5 further explains:
"The planetary system known as Bhu-mandala resembles a lotus flower, and its seven islands resemble the whorl of that flower. The length and breadth of the island known as Jambudvipa, which is situated in the middle of the whorl, are one million yojanas [eight million miles]. Jambudvipa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower."
The planet Earth is situated within Jambudvipa and is known as karma-bhumi (Visnu Purana 2.3.2), which is one of the central planets within the 14 planetary systems of this universe. On this earthly planet new karma is created, therefore planet earth is a karmic crossroad where one's pious and impious activity determines where one takes their next birth within the 14 planetary systems. On this planet I will decide about my future situation, heavenly or hellish, by acting in a particular way, as the 5th Canto 5.13.21 of Srimad Bhagavatam explains:
"King Rahugana said: This birth as a human being is the best of all. Even birth among the demigods in the heavenly planets is not as glorious as birth as a human being on this earth. What is the use of the exalted position of a demigod? In the heavenly planets, due to profuse material comforts, there is no possibility of associating with devotees."
The modern scientists take no help from sastra and speculate that every force is material. But they have not been able to create a "living body" or bring a dead body to life. They simply speculate. And unintelligent people are impressed with their mindless (devoid of advanced spiritual values) speculation.
Sadaputa presents the Bhuloka or Jambudvipa and Meru as well as other islands and seas as flat. According to Surya Siddhanta it is round like and upside-down bowl.
With Meru on the top it is in the center. One reason mathematically it is so, is that the planets are having degrees north and south and they should not "crash into" Bhuloka. If the planets crash into Bhuloka then we take Bhuloka as a "subtle" land or as "symbolic" of other things. Bhu is this land, bhavah is outer space, sva is upper spaces as in the Gayatri mantra, where we chant, om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam. Above the Bhuloka planetary system is Bhuvarloka, and above that is Svargaloka, the heavenly planetary system
All these planetary systems are controlled by Savita, the Sun-god. By chanting the Gayatrī mantra just after rising early in the morning, one worships the Sun-god. (Srimad Bhagavatam 5.1.31)
Further in the 5th Canto, Chapter 21, text 7 it is said that there is "sunrise, sunset, midday and midnight" on the four corners of Bhu loka. This can only be if it is round. If it were flat the Sun would be further away but always seen in the sky.
It is a contentious point that Srila Prabhupada might not have revealed all about this matter to us he knew, or that he might have counted upon us to research it in depth and find out more than he reveals.
On many occasions Srila Prabhupada asked his disciples to find Vedic scholars who are familiar with the Srimad Bhagavatam's version of the universe however, Srila Prabhupada found out that many so-called Vedic scholars are either useless (they had no idea) or that such rare bonafide scholars were hard to find. This is revealed in a conversation Srila Prabhupada had with Vedic Astronomer Agnihotram Ramanuja Tattvacarya on April 30, 1977, Bombay. http://prabhupadavani.org/BA_scripts/201-300/770430R2-BOMBAY.html
As an example of research, I have noticed that the Earth is always thought to be the planet that Lord Varaha lifts from the ocean at the end of partial pralaya. But in many Puranas, Varaha lifts the entire Bhuloka from the waters. Even Meru has been dislodged and He restores it.
Krauncha dvipa is one of the seven islands surrounding Meru. There is said in the Puranas that Krauncha dvipa has the mark of one of Lord Varaha's tusks in it. If Srila Prabhupada did not go into this in great detail, this may be due to our beginning nature as devotees, or that he wanted us to do the research to understand this further.
Sadaputa dasa has taken the approach that the dimensions are not perceivable by the senses, which in some cases may be true, like the servants of Yamaraj are not seen when they come to collect an embodied soul at the death of their human biological body. But if we are calculating the distance to the Sun from Bhagavatam, the Sun is a perceivable object. Then suddenly Meru is not perceivable?
So we have to distinguish what we mean by unperceivable. Do we mean because it is out of view? India was out of my view before I visited there. But I was able to perceive it in other ways. Or is something imperceptible because it is composed of subtle matter?
In a morning walk Srila Prabhupada mentioned a mountain of Gold. He was referring to Meru. And he said, "If they learn of it they shall be mad to go there." Go where? If it is subtle matter the people could never go there.
The Ganges water is falling on Lord Siva's head, on a mountain known as Kailasa, 80,000 miles tall or so. If the Ganges is real is not the mountain and Lord Siva's form also real?
Today I listened to a lecture on the 9th Chapter of Bhagavad-gita As It Is given in 1976 in Melbourne Australia. In the question and answer portion Srila Prabhupada clearly explained that the Moon is higher than the Sun in that it travels higher than the Sun.
Often this is misunderstood. People hear this and think his meaning is that the Moon is "further away" than the Sun. This is clearly not his meaning. If something amazing could exist in this multi-layered approach it could certainly exist in a single universe theory also. Sometimes a magician like Dynamo is very wonderful and we cannot see how he has defied logic. But it is a simple trick.
Because you do not "see" Meru does not mean it is not there. It defies our so-called logic, because we are like animals that within this body there is something eternal. It defies our foolish minds that Brahma has got a lifespan from the beginning of the universe to the end.
So many things are beyond our capabilities. We should not try to bring them down to our puny way of understanding. There is one insect that lives thru the night. He hovers around the light. In the morning you can sweep those dead insects into a pile. Those insects cannot imagine your lifespan, they would think it "imagination". If they were clever they would say, "That must be in an alternate universe, certainly not in 'mine."
The modern scientists or the layman look at a photograph of the Sun from their telescopes and space probes and explain that the entire Sun is nothing but burning gases. They cannot reproduce this Sun even on the tiniest scale in their laboratory.
They have never experienced anything like the Sun on this earth that continues to burn. They have created the atomic bomb but it burns out. It does not continue to burn like the Sun. The scientists cannot imagine that it is possible because they cannot do it.
They speculate that the Sun is a "chain reaction of gases exploding from within then moving to the Sun's surface". All speculation. They cannot imagine that they are seeing the clouds around the Sun and that underneath these clouds there is a race of people living there.
Their limited experience is that heat makes water evaporate and turn into clouds however, they do not imagine that that water travels in atomic form to the Sun itself, as the Matsya Purana explains, and is then expelled in the same way.
Modern scientists also cannot extract water from certain gases. They also do not think water is there in outer space, but because they are unable to presently see its existence, that does not mean it cannot be there.
On this Earth at the north and south poles under the water, fish are living and also in the human body there are fierce temperatures in the stomach acid where microbes and bacteria are living. The idea of people living on the Sun is not within the modern scientist's ability to fathom at present.
But remember, scientists do not believe there is a soul in the body which cannot be burned etc. (as described in second chapter of Bhagavad-gita). They cannot imagine varieties of bodies constructed to withstand extreme temperatures.
Modern science works exclusively on the principle that "all is matter" and life must only be here or on one similar planet that can support the kind of life we have here.
Maha Visnu is lying in the Causal Ocean and glances over material nature, introducing the myriad living entities into this universe in the same way Vivasvan, an incarnation of the Lord, is drawing the material molecules or atoms of water to the Sun globe.
Matsya Purana says that the Sun is drawing water from Bhuloka up to Dhruvaloka. If the Sun is "drawing" water, isn't it possible for him to "draw it" all the way to Himself?
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, Part Four
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
Part One - The Chariot of the Sun is 28,800,000 miles long
You can begin the calculation in the following way. Fifth Canto Srimad Bhagavatam explains the "chariot of the sun" is 28,800,000 miles long. By several other verses, which give different figures, we can understand that the "chariot of the sun" has to be multiplied by 30.
This figure 30 is the number of muhurtas. (There are 30 muhurtas in a 24-hour period). 30 x 28,800,000 is 864,000,000, now this is the Sun at 23.5 degrees south. Similarly a figure is there in Bhagavatam 756,000,000, that is the Sun at 0 degrees celestial. Then the Sun goes to the north to 648,000,000.
All this means is that you can demonstrate this to yourself on a ball. Take only one-half of the ball and wrap something around it so that it gradually moves away from the center towards the top so that at every moment the Sun is moving up and closer to the Earth. This means that the Sun is further away when it goes to the south 23.5 degrees and closer as he moves northward.
This is also confirmed in Matsya Purana, that the Sun is gathering water from the entire universe up to Dhruvaloka. Therefore the Sun changes sizes as he moves up and down. In the spring and summer he is gathering water, then he releases the water. We do not notice any change in size because he changes distance.
The modern scientist speculates that the Sun is only a ball of gases, however, the Srimad Bhagavatam explains that a civilization lives there. What we see with telescopes and space probes is only a limited view of all the cosmos.
The fact is, our gross material senses and their material technological extensions that magnify the material universe around us are not seeing the universe in its full potential. That includes other higher and lower dimensional realities such as the Yamadutas when they come to detain an embodied soul encased in a subtle material body on the death of their gross biological body.
Modern material science therefore has not the eyes to see the Demigods' realities, that include the Sun Planet and his chariot as explained in the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam, nor can they see the clouds surrounding the Sun composed of water that the Sun has drawn there, as explained in the Matsya Puranas.
Part Two, Step One - Drawing the 'Chariot of the sun' diagram based on the descriptions found in 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam
How to draw a diagram of the Sun from the side explained in this way:
First take a square. (It will be helpful if you make it three or four inches on each side because we will be writing numbers under or on top of those lines later on) Then inside the square draw a circle. Where the circle touches the top and sides, draw lines. That divides the circle into four quadrants. It looks something like a gun site. (A square with a circle inside with a cross inside that.)
For this circle we will borrow the image of a clock to help us label its "points". I have already written how to draw it but let us go over it again. (I will also draw this out as I describe it where I am sitting typing this, so I do not make an error.) We shall label points where lines intersect as A, B, C, etc., then we can give the numbers of miles for these lines.
Where the two lines intersect in the middle of our circle will be point A. Where the horizontal middle line intersects the circle on the right will be B. (This is where the circle touches the square on the right.) At two 'o'clock we will make a point C.
Between two o'clock and three o'clock (on the clock face - the circle, exactly midway between C and B) make point D.
Draw a horizontal line from C to center vertical line. That point is E. Draw a horizontal line from point D to center vertical line. That is point F. We now have all our points. They should be on three parallel lines in the upper right quadrant of our circle.
We need two more lines.
Draw a line from point C to point F.
Draw a line from point F to point B.
We now have our points and lines. This is how to draw the diagram of the Sun from Srimad Bhagavatam. (It should look like two flags or pennants, one upside down and one right side up, the lower one larger and the upper one smaller.)
In the second step we will now insert numbers that are miles of distance.
Step Two - Constructing diagram of Chariot of the Sun
Now we shall write on top of or under our lines the numbers of the distances between all the points above.
Line AB is 137,509,870.8
Line BD is 56,400,000 (Although this line is circular it is called a line)
Line CD is 56,400,000 (Although this line is circular it is called a line)
Line FB is 149,946,415.4
Line FD is 120,321,137
Line AF is 59,790,993.67
Line FC is 112,459,811.5
Line EC is 103,132,403.1
Line EF is 44,843,245.13
NOTE:
The chariot of the sun in 5th Canto Bhagavatam is said to be 28,800,000. The meaning is that this is the Sun's greatest distance of movement in a muhurta. (There are 30 muhurtas in a 24-hour period.) He travels different distances every day. In fact, he loses 39,425 miles every muhurta, so that we can know the distance the next day. 864,000,000 minus (39,425 times 30) which is 862,817,250.
This will become obvious after you understand the math of the Sun's chariot diagram.
Step Three - Circumference of the Sun
If the circumference of the Sun is 28,800,000 times 30 = 864,000,000 we divided by 2 and by 3.141592654=137,509,870.8. That is line AB (The formula is circumference divided by 2 and by PI - Pi is 3.141592654. Pi is a number that has no end because there is always (theoretically) a measurement smaller on a circle). 137,509,870.8 divide by cos (23.5) is 149,946,415.3, that is line FB.
The formula we used is the formula for finding the hypotenuse of a right triangle if we know the bottom side. (Mathematicians have several different names for the bottom of a right triangle. I like to refer to it as the "floor" or "bottom". Hypotenuse I call the "roof" because it slants. Or I just call it hypotenuse. The smallest side I call the "wall." The hypotenuse squared minus the floor squared equals the wall. That gives us line AF. Line FD is 756,000,000 divide by 2 and divide by PI (We get the figure 756,000,000 from Vayu and Linga Puranas)
These math formulas can be used to get line EC and EF. In order to get the arc or circular lines on our diagram we divide 864,000,000 by 360.
(There are 360 degrees in a circle) Then we multiply that number by the degrees we wish to know. 864,000,000 divided by 360 times 23.5 = 56,400,000.
NOTE:
If we came from the outside of the universe at its top we would look down and see the Sun circling Meru (which would be the unmoving center of a circle) in a clockwise fashion.
We would see Meru in the center, then Earth out to its side (maybe stationary), then the moon circling Meru and the Earth in a clockwise fashion, then the Sun circling Meru and the moon and the Earth in a clockwise fashion etc.
That is not the diagram of the Sun.
The diagram of the Sun is what you would see if you came from outside of this universe from the side of the universe. The diagram is like a snapshot of the Sun's movement. But it is on a piece of paper or on a screen, which is flat (one dimensional) and does not show that the Sun is moving in three dimensions.
The Sun starts at point B and moves towards the viewer (leaving the page) and then to the left side of our square and then backs behind it; in this way it has a circular movement (three-dimensional).
This is described in the Bhagavatam as just like an axle that is fixed to the top of Meru. The Sun's circle is getting smaller everyday and he is moving northward at the same time. He continues like this until he reaches his highest height and begins to descend in the same matter. As he descends he begins to add 30 times 39,425 miles every 24 hours.
For those keeping track of this site, I have found a small mathematical error in my computations. It does not however appear to affect the entire formula. The method I have employed for finding a circumference is mentioned below. So here is the proper method for finding a circumference so that we can get perfect results. It affects four of the planets so now this revised formula will prove more perfect.
Formerly I have written that to get the highest circumference of a planet from its middle you multiply by the cos of the declination, however, this is the proper way to change circumference and make this mathematics final and clearer:
"If I want to know the Sun's 864,000,000 circumference at 23.5 degrees south I use this formula: 864,000,000 / 360 = 2,400,000 x (360- (23.5 X 1.913553055) = 756,000,000. The number 1.913553055 can always be used even when the declinations or circumferences are different. We shall present a paper summarizing all mathematical formulas at the end of these articles".
The chariots of the other planets and their distances can be derived from Bhagavatam also, as I have explained. The universe has an edge in every direction where the universe ends and the spiritual world begins.
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
Part One - The Chariot of the Sun is 28,800,000 miles long
You can begin the calculation in the following way. Fifth Canto Srimad Bhagavatam explains the "chariot of the sun" is 28,800,000 miles long. By several other verses, which give different figures, we can understand that the "chariot of the sun" has to be multiplied by 30.
This figure 30 is the number of muhurtas. (There are 30 muhurtas in a 24-hour period). 30 x 28,800,000 is 864,000,000, now this is the Sun at 23.5 degrees south. Similarly a figure is there in Bhagavatam 756,000,000, that is the Sun at 0 degrees celestial. Then the Sun goes to the north to 648,000,000.
All this means is that you can demonstrate this to yourself on a ball. Take only one-half of the ball and wrap something around it so that it gradually moves away from the center towards the top so that at every moment the Sun is moving up and closer to the Earth. This means that the Sun is further away when it goes to the south 23.5 degrees and closer as he moves northward.
This is also confirmed in Matsya Purana, that the Sun is gathering water from the entire universe up to Dhruvaloka. Therefore the Sun changes sizes as he moves up and down. In the spring and summer he is gathering water, then he releases the water. We do not notice any change in size because he changes distance.
The modern scientist speculates that the Sun is only a ball of gases, however, the Srimad Bhagavatam explains that a civilization lives there. What we see with telescopes and space probes is only a limited view of all the cosmos.
The fact is, our gross material senses and their material technological extensions that magnify the material universe around us are not seeing the universe in its full potential. That includes other higher and lower dimensional realities such as the Yamadutas when they come to detain an embodied soul encased in a subtle material body on the death of their gross biological body.
Modern material science therefore has not the eyes to see the Demigods' realities, that include the Sun Planet and his chariot as explained in the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam, nor can they see the clouds surrounding the Sun composed of water that the Sun has drawn there, as explained in the Matsya Puranas.
Part Two, Step One - Drawing the 'Chariot of the sun' diagram based on the descriptions found in 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam
How to draw a diagram of the Sun from the side explained in this way:
First take a square. (It will be helpful if you make it three or four inches on each side because we will be writing numbers under or on top of those lines later on) Then inside the square draw a circle. Where the circle touches the top and sides, draw lines. That divides the circle into four quadrants. It looks something like a gun site. (A square with a circle inside with a cross inside that.)
For this circle we will borrow the image of a clock to help us label its "points". I have already written how to draw it but let us go over it again. (I will also draw this out as I describe it where I am sitting typing this, so I do not make an error.) We shall label points where lines intersect as A, B, C, etc., then we can give the numbers of miles for these lines.
Where the two lines intersect in the middle of our circle will be point A. Where the horizontal middle line intersects the circle on the right will be B. (This is where the circle touches the square on the right.) At two 'o'clock we will make a point C.
Between two o'clock and three o'clock (on the clock face - the circle, exactly midway between C and B) make point D.
Draw a horizontal line from C to center vertical line. That point is E. Draw a horizontal line from point D to center vertical line. That is point F. We now have all our points. They should be on three parallel lines in the upper right quadrant of our circle.
We need two more lines.
Draw a line from point C to point F.
Draw a line from point F to point B.
We now have our points and lines. This is how to draw the diagram of the Sun from Srimad Bhagavatam. (It should look like two flags or pennants, one upside down and one right side up, the lower one larger and the upper one smaller.)
In the second step we will now insert numbers that are miles of distance.
Step Two - Constructing diagram of Chariot of the Sun
Now we shall write on top of or under our lines the numbers of the distances between all the points above.
Line AB is 137,509,870.8
Line BD is 56,400,000 (Although this line is circular it is called a line)
Line CD is 56,400,000 (Although this line is circular it is called a line)
Line FB is 149,946,415.4
Line FD is 120,321,137
Line AF is 59,790,993.67
Line FC is 112,459,811.5
Line EC is 103,132,403.1
Line EF is 44,843,245.13
NOTE:
The chariot of the sun in 5th Canto Bhagavatam is said to be 28,800,000. The meaning is that this is the Sun's greatest distance of movement in a muhurta. (There are 30 muhurtas in a 24-hour period.) He travels different distances every day. In fact, he loses 39,425 miles every muhurta, so that we can know the distance the next day. 864,000,000 minus (39,425 times 30) which is 862,817,250.
This will become obvious after you understand the math of the Sun's chariot diagram.
Step Three - Circumference of the Sun
If the circumference of the Sun is 28,800,000 times 30 = 864,000,000 we divided by 2 and by 3.141592654=137,509,870.8. That is line AB (The formula is circumference divided by 2 and by PI - Pi is 3.141592654. Pi is a number that has no end because there is always (theoretically) a measurement smaller on a circle). 137,509,870.8 divide by cos (23.5) is 149,946,415.3, that is line FB.
The formula we used is the formula for finding the hypotenuse of a right triangle if we know the bottom side. (Mathematicians have several different names for the bottom of a right triangle. I like to refer to it as the "floor" or "bottom". Hypotenuse I call the "roof" because it slants. Or I just call it hypotenuse. The smallest side I call the "wall." The hypotenuse squared minus the floor squared equals the wall. That gives us line AF. Line FD is 756,000,000 divide by 2 and divide by PI (We get the figure 756,000,000 from Vayu and Linga Puranas)
These math formulas can be used to get line EC and EF. In order to get the arc or circular lines on our diagram we divide 864,000,000 by 360.
(There are 360 degrees in a circle) Then we multiply that number by the degrees we wish to know. 864,000,000 divided by 360 times 23.5 = 56,400,000.
NOTE:
If we came from the outside of the universe at its top we would look down and see the Sun circling Meru (which would be the unmoving center of a circle) in a clockwise fashion.
We would see Meru in the center, then Earth out to its side (maybe stationary), then the moon circling Meru and the Earth in a clockwise fashion, then the Sun circling Meru and the moon and the Earth in a clockwise fashion etc.
That is not the diagram of the Sun.
The diagram of the Sun is what you would see if you came from outside of this universe from the side of the universe. The diagram is like a snapshot of the Sun's movement. But it is on a piece of paper or on a screen, which is flat (one dimensional) and does not show that the Sun is moving in three dimensions.
The Sun starts at point B and moves towards the viewer (leaving the page) and then to the left side of our square and then backs behind it; in this way it has a circular movement (three-dimensional).
This is described in the Bhagavatam as just like an axle that is fixed to the top of Meru. The Sun's circle is getting smaller everyday and he is moving northward at the same time. He continues like this until he reaches his highest height and begins to descend in the same matter. As he descends he begins to add 30 times 39,425 miles every 24 hours.
For those keeping track of this site, I have found a small mathematical error in my computations. It does not however appear to affect the entire formula. The method I have employed for finding a circumference is mentioned below. So here is the proper method for finding a circumference so that we can get perfect results. It affects four of the planets so now this revised formula will prove more perfect.
Formerly I have written that to get the highest circumference of a planet from its middle you multiply by the cos of the declination, however, this is the proper way to change circumference and make this mathematics final and clearer:
"If I want to know the Sun's 864,000,000 circumference at 23.5 degrees south I use this formula: 864,000,000 / 360 = 2,400,000 x (360- (23.5 X 1.913553055) = 756,000,000. The number 1.913553055 can always be used even when the declinations or circumferences are different. We shall present a paper summarizing all mathematical formulas at the end of these articles".
The chariots of the other planets and their distances can be derived from Bhagavatam also, as I have explained. The universe has an edge in every direction where the universe ends and the spiritual world begins.
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, Part Three
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
Part 1 - Calculating the distance to Venus and Mercury
In Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto we have seen how to calculate the distance of the Sun. In this way the sages have devised a method of calculating other planetary bodies also. Let us review.
We take the sun's circumference (circular path) as it travels around the equator, which is 756,000,000 divide by 360 divide by 31,500,000, and multiply by sun's lowest circumference 864,000,000 to get 57,600,000. Both figures 57,600,000 and 756,000,000 are found in Linga and Visnu and Vayu Puranas (Danavir Gosvami has published the cosmological sections of these books).
So that looks like this: 756,000,000 divided by 360 divided by 31,500,000 times 864,000,000 equals 57,600,000. 57,600,000 in this case appears to be an approximation. The sun travels 23.7 or 23.8 degrees. 57,600,000 divide by 24 equals 2,400,000 times 360 equals 864,000,000.
Of course this is easy when we already know what is the circumference of a planet. The Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto gives us a system for finding the planets. Now the Sun is the first planet and the second mentioned is the Moon. But how do we understand this?
We must start out the same way: 756,000,000 divide by 360. But now the formula says to add 800,000 miles so the formula looks like this: 756,000,000 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000) times 864,000,000 equals 56,173,374.61.
This is the declination in miles of the Moon. To get the circumference or circular orbit around the equator of Earth divide that number by 28.5, now multiply by 360. The circumference of the orbit of the Moon is 709,558,416.2, its declination is 28.5 degrees or 56,173,374.61 miles.
The next planetary body is the constellations. Now we use the last number found to begin our calculation. The math looks like this 709,558,416.2 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000) multiply by 864,000,000 divide by 8.9 multiply by 360.
The constellation belts circumference around us at the equator is 2,031,946,146 its declination is 8.9 degrees or 50,234,224.17 miles. Now that the figure for the constellations has been introduced we will use it in the formula rather than the Sun's circumference of 864,000,000.
Note, we can find the declination of a planetary body if we know its circumference around the equator. If its orbit is 105,000,000 miles around us in a circle then divide the circle by 360 degrees and multiply by the declination. So if the declination was 5 the math is as follows: 100,000,000 divide by 360 times 5 = 1,388,888.88
That does not mean the planet is on that declination now. This means that 5 degrees is where it travels sometime in the future
Part 2 - Calculating the distance to Venus and Mercury
The last "planet's" distance we found was the Moon, so we begin with the Moon. The math looks like this: 709,558,416.2 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000) times (2,031,946,146 divided by 2) = 56,407,843.86 divide by 8.9 =6,337,959.985 divide by 27.8 times 360 = 1,459,772,842 Now divide that number by 2.
The circumference of Venus as that planet orbits around Earth at the equator is 729,886,420.9.
Unlike the Moon, whose lower and higher declinations bend back towards the Earth like a backwards 'C', Venus follows alongside of and in front of and behind the Sun. Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 22, Text 12 says in part - "Sometimes Venus moves behind the sun, sometimes in front of the sun and sometimes along with it."
To calculate the lowest circumference of Venus we divide by cos (27.8) = 825,121,092.8 to get its highest circumference multiply 729,886,420.9 by cos (27.8) =645,643,642.
The circumference of the Sun at the equator is 756,000,000 so if Venus is 729,886,420.9, Venus would be in front of the Sun. However, if Venus is at 729,886,420.9 while the Sun is at 648,000,000, the Sun is technically closer.
These two planets never occupy the same space and therefore never collide, although their paths are similar. We can also note that the Moon is closer, then Venus and then the Sun.
Part 3 - Calculating the distance to Venus and Mercury
The last planetary distance we found was for Venus. So we begin with that number to find the next planet, Mercury. The math looks like this: 729,886,420.9 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 +1,600,000) multiply by (2,031,946,146 divided by 2) = 55,521,484.72 divide by 25.6 times 360 = 780,770,878.9.
Now you will notice that the orbit of Mercury is beyond the 756,000,000 of the Sun. If we do the math we can subtract these distances from each other and find that Venus is further away from the Sun and Mercury is closer. Whether or not these planets "circle" the Sun I do not know. But we could program the Fifth Canto math into a computer and find out. Again, as with Venus, Mercury is sometimes behind, sometimes with and sometimes in front of the Sun.
In Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Ch 22, text 12, Mercury is described to be similar to Venus, in that it moves sometimes behind the Sun, sometimes in front of the Sun and sometimes along with it.
Again we can find the higher and lower declinations by dividing the circumference by cos (25.6) or by multiplying the circumference by cos (25.6) We can also note that Venus is further from the Sun than Mercury, possibly placing Venus's orbit around Mercury. But it is by plugging the numbers into a computer we shall learn.
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
Part 1 - Calculating the distance to Venus and Mercury
In Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto we have seen how to calculate the distance of the Sun. In this way the sages have devised a method of calculating other planetary bodies also. Let us review.
We take the sun's circumference (circular path) as it travels around the equator, which is 756,000,000 divide by 360 divide by 31,500,000, and multiply by sun's lowest circumference 864,000,000 to get 57,600,000. Both figures 57,600,000 and 756,000,000 are found in Linga and Visnu and Vayu Puranas (Danavir Gosvami has published the cosmological sections of these books).
So that looks like this: 756,000,000 divided by 360 divided by 31,500,000 times 864,000,000 equals 57,600,000. 57,600,000 in this case appears to be an approximation. The sun travels 23.7 or 23.8 degrees. 57,600,000 divide by 24 equals 2,400,000 times 360 equals 864,000,000.
Of course this is easy when we already know what is the circumference of a planet. The Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto gives us a system for finding the planets. Now the Sun is the first planet and the second mentioned is the Moon. But how do we understand this?
We must start out the same way: 756,000,000 divide by 360. But now the formula says to add 800,000 miles so the formula looks like this: 756,000,000 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000) times 864,000,000 equals 56,173,374.61.
This is the declination in miles of the Moon. To get the circumference or circular orbit around the equator of Earth divide that number by 28.5, now multiply by 360. The circumference of the orbit of the Moon is 709,558,416.2, its declination is 28.5 degrees or 56,173,374.61 miles.
The next planetary body is the constellations. Now we use the last number found to begin our calculation. The math looks like this 709,558,416.2 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000) multiply by 864,000,000 divide by 8.9 multiply by 360.
The constellation belts circumference around us at the equator is 2,031,946,146 its declination is 8.9 degrees or 50,234,224.17 miles. Now that the figure for the constellations has been introduced we will use it in the formula rather than the Sun's circumference of 864,000,000.
Note, we can find the declination of a planetary body if we know its circumference around the equator. If its orbit is 105,000,000 miles around us in a circle then divide the circle by 360 degrees and multiply by the declination. So if the declination was 5 the math is as follows: 100,000,000 divide by 360 times 5 = 1,388,888.88
That does not mean the planet is on that declination now. This means that 5 degrees is where it travels sometime in the future
Part 2 - Calculating the distance to Venus and Mercury
The last "planet's" distance we found was the Moon, so we begin with the Moon. The math looks like this: 709,558,416.2 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000) times (2,031,946,146 divided by 2) = 56,407,843.86 divide by 8.9 =6,337,959.985 divide by 27.8 times 360 = 1,459,772,842 Now divide that number by 2.
The circumference of Venus as that planet orbits around Earth at the equator is 729,886,420.9.
Unlike the Moon, whose lower and higher declinations bend back towards the Earth like a backwards 'C', Venus follows alongside of and in front of and behind the Sun. Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 22, Text 12 says in part - "Sometimes Venus moves behind the sun, sometimes in front of the sun and sometimes along with it."
To calculate the lowest circumference of Venus we divide by cos (27.8) = 825,121,092.8 to get its highest circumference multiply 729,886,420.9 by cos (27.8) =645,643,642.
The circumference of the Sun at the equator is 756,000,000 so if Venus is 729,886,420.9, Venus would be in front of the Sun. However, if Venus is at 729,886,420.9 while the Sun is at 648,000,000, the Sun is technically closer.
These two planets never occupy the same space and therefore never collide, although their paths are similar. We can also note that the Moon is closer, then Venus and then the Sun.
Part 3 - Calculating the distance to Venus and Mercury
The last planetary distance we found was for Venus. So we begin with that number to find the next planet, Mercury. The math looks like this: 729,886,420.9 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000 + 1,600,000 +1,600,000) multiply by (2,031,946,146 divided by 2) = 55,521,484.72 divide by 25.6 times 360 = 780,770,878.9.
Now you will notice that the orbit of Mercury is beyond the 756,000,000 of the Sun. If we do the math we can subtract these distances from each other and find that Venus is further away from the Sun and Mercury is closer. Whether or not these planets "circle" the Sun I do not know. But we could program the Fifth Canto math into a computer and find out. Again, as with Venus, Mercury is sometimes behind, sometimes with and sometimes in front of the Sun.
In Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Ch 22, text 12, Mercury is described to be similar to Venus, in that it moves sometimes behind the Sun, sometimes in front of the Sun and sometimes along with it.
Again we can find the higher and lower declinations by dividing the circumference by cos (25.6) or by multiplying the circumference by cos (25.6) We can also note that Venus is further from the Sun than Mercury, possibly placing Venus's orbit around Mercury. But it is by plugging the numbers into a computer we shall learn.
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, Part Two
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
The Path of Rahu - Part One
The Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 24, text 6 says, 'Below the abodes of the Yaksas and Raksas by a distance of 100 yojanas (800 miles) is the planet earth'.
To understand the mathematical construct found in the 5th Canto we shall begin with the earth. The earth according to modern calculation is 24,902 miles around. How many degrees does a round object have? 360.
24,902 times 360 = 8,964,720. Divide this number by the circumference of the constellations that is 2,031,946,146 (we shall show how to derive this number later). Then multiply by (31,500,000-(80,000+80,000+800)) = then multiply by 360 = 49,775,421.11. This is the orbit of the planets called Siddhaloka, Caranaloka and Vidyadhara loka.
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5, Ch. 24, text 4 says, 'Below Rahu by 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles] are the planets known as Siddhaloka, Caranaloka and Vidyadhara-loka.'
Although these planets are located above Dhruvaloka. Below is meant for the mathematician, however I am working backwards, which is more difficult mathematics. Let us begin with Dhruvaloka (we shall explain how to get Dhruvaloka later) and move thru Rahu to Siddhaloka etc. and to Earth. In this way we are following the texts as they appear in the Bhagavatam.
Dhruvaloka's orbit is 512,157,669. Divide by 360, divide by (31,500,000-80,000)) times 2,031,946,146 (constellations) divided by 18.19 degree of Rahu's declination) = 5,057,949.548 times 360 = 1,820,861,837 This is Rahu's orbit through the universe.
The Path of Rahu - Part Two
In our mathematical formula, which found the orbit of Rahu, we begin from that very same number to discover the path of Siddhaloka, Caranaloka and Vidyadhara-loka. (Of course we do not know if they revolve or are stationary, or what is their exact configuration or if they are above or below Dhruvaloka.)
1,820,861,837 divide by 360 divide by ((31,500,000-(80,000+80,000)) times 2,031,946,146 divide by 6.588,290,665 = 49,775,421.111 Siddhaloka
49,775,421.111 divide by 360 divide by ((31,500,000-(80,000+80,000+800)) times 2,031,946,146 = 8,964,720 divide by 360 = 24,902 Earth
The Path of Rahu - Part Three
The formula we are using will not be thoroughly understood until all the pieces are in place. But it uses the circumference of a planet and divides by 360 degrees to get the numbers for one single degree of that circumference.
Then it follows the formula of Bhagavatam using the 31,500,000 figure of the sun's second axle to subtract or add as the texts indicate. Then we multiply by the constellations. That gives us what is called declination.
We must already know what the declination is for a certain planet and divide by that number. That gives us one single degree of the new planet's circumference. So when we multiply by 360 we have the planet's circumference (orbit).
There is a little more in understanding the movement of the planets north and south, but we shall learn that as we go. The formula that I have described only works after it has been introduced in the text.
As we proceed, and each and every planet's orbit is found, including its north and south circumferences, things will become clearer. At last we shall draw each planetary orbit and see how they actually move.
The Constellations, The Big Dipper (Seven Sages) and Dhruva:
Discovering the number 56,400,000 and how to use it, it has occurred to me that the mathematical system of the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam could be fashioned on such a system (see Sun's Chariot diagram).
It was finding the mention of such numbers in an Ancient Astronomy book attributed to Hipparchus that I thought I must be on the right track. It was through thousands of wrong calculations that the Lord was kind enough to let me crack the mathematics for one other planet. Then it was a matter of filling in the others. (Not a trivial task.)
I am indebted to Danavir Gosvami. I should also thank Dr. Nick Lomb, the Curator of Astronomy at the Powerhouse Museum for kindly supplying me the greatest declinations to the main planets.
We have shown how the circumference of the moon is derived. In the Srimad Bhagavatam the next text after discussing the moon is Canto 5, Ch. 22, text 11:
There are many stars located 2,000,000 yojanas [1,600,000] above the moon, they are fixed on the wheel of time, and there are twenty-eight important stars, headed by Abhijit. (Abhijit is a star in the constellations.)
Here is the math to derive the constellations:
Moon 709,558,416.2 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000) =.058,141,463 times 864,000,000 divide by 8.9 times 360 = 2,031,946,146
The axle of the Sun is 31,500,000 and we are to add 1,600,000 miles to it. We have already added 800,000 to it for the moon. We divide by 8.9 because if you are standing on the equator of Earth, the constellations extend to the north approx 8.9 degrees and to the south approx 8.9 degrees.
Later we shall address Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the Seven Sages. For now we shall begin with the circumference of the Seven Sages (later we shall show the math on how to derive this number) and show how to derive Dhruvaloka.
Circumference of the Seven Sages is 1,386,038,221 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000+800,000+1,600,000+(5 X 1,600,000) + 8,800,000 + 10,400,000 =.063,013,194 times 2,031,946,146 = 128,039,417.2 divide by 90 =1,422,660.192 times 360 = 512,157,669 the circumference of Dhruvaloka.
The number 90 is used as declination for Dhruva, as Dhruva is located in the center northern topward position of the universe. He is in line with Meru at the south.
Earth is out to the side from middle so modern astronomers, not thinking that the universe has a "design", calculate from Earth. In this way they calculate the North Star or pole star as 89.1 degrees or something like that. Bhagavatam apparently calculates from the center of the universe, which is Dhruva, even though Dhruva may or may not be visible to us.
Because this was once the prevailing view of the universe, in the course of my studies I found many statements alluding to Earth being near or in the center of the universe.
In fact, a great amount of information has been handed down through time in various scriptures explaining the constellations as being the home of demigods and angels and of the existence of a second earthly dimension below this one.
Gradually over time the factual history of that ancient information slipped away with the advancement of Kali-yuga and the introduction of modern atheistic science and technologies however, it was once held as true by the most erudite philosophers, astronomers and great sages. As late as Descarte we find him discussing the constellations as an area of divine beings.
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
The Path of Rahu - Part One
The Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 24, text 6 says, 'Below the abodes of the Yaksas and Raksas by a distance of 100 yojanas (800 miles) is the planet earth'.
To understand the mathematical construct found in the 5th Canto we shall begin with the earth. The earth according to modern calculation is 24,902 miles around. How many degrees does a round object have? 360.
24,902 times 360 = 8,964,720. Divide this number by the circumference of the constellations that is 2,031,946,146 (we shall show how to derive this number later). Then multiply by (31,500,000-(80,000+80,000+800)) = then multiply by 360 = 49,775,421.11. This is the orbit of the planets called Siddhaloka, Caranaloka and Vidyadhara loka.
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5, Ch. 24, text 4 says, 'Below Rahu by 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles] are the planets known as Siddhaloka, Caranaloka and Vidyadhara-loka.'
Although these planets are located above Dhruvaloka. Below is meant for the mathematician, however I am working backwards, which is more difficult mathematics. Let us begin with Dhruvaloka (we shall explain how to get Dhruvaloka later) and move thru Rahu to Siddhaloka etc. and to Earth. In this way we are following the texts as they appear in the Bhagavatam.
Dhruvaloka's orbit is 512,157,669. Divide by 360, divide by (31,500,000-80,000)) times 2,031,946,146 (constellations) divided by 18.19 degree of Rahu's declination) = 5,057,949.548 times 360 = 1,820,861,837 This is Rahu's orbit through the universe.
The Path of Rahu - Part Two
In our mathematical formula, which found the orbit of Rahu, we begin from that very same number to discover the path of Siddhaloka, Caranaloka and Vidyadhara-loka. (Of course we do not know if they revolve or are stationary, or what is their exact configuration or if they are above or below Dhruvaloka.)
1,820,861,837 divide by 360 divide by ((31,500,000-(80,000+80,000)) times 2,031,946,146 divide by 6.588,290,665 = 49,775,421.111 Siddhaloka
49,775,421.111 divide by 360 divide by ((31,500,000-(80,000+80,000+800)) times 2,031,946,146 = 8,964,720 divide by 360 = 24,902 Earth
The Path of Rahu - Part Three
The formula we are using will not be thoroughly understood until all the pieces are in place. But it uses the circumference of a planet and divides by 360 degrees to get the numbers for one single degree of that circumference.
Then it follows the formula of Bhagavatam using the 31,500,000 figure of the sun's second axle to subtract or add as the texts indicate. Then we multiply by the constellations. That gives us what is called declination.
We must already know what the declination is for a certain planet and divide by that number. That gives us one single degree of the new planet's circumference. So when we multiply by 360 we have the planet's circumference (orbit).
There is a little more in understanding the movement of the planets north and south, but we shall learn that as we go. The formula that I have described only works after it has been introduced in the text.
As we proceed, and each and every planet's orbit is found, including its north and south circumferences, things will become clearer. At last we shall draw each planetary orbit and see how they actually move.
The Constellations, The Big Dipper (Seven Sages) and Dhruva:
Discovering the number 56,400,000 and how to use it, it has occurred to me that the mathematical system of the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam could be fashioned on such a system (see Sun's Chariot diagram).
It was finding the mention of such numbers in an Ancient Astronomy book attributed to Hipparchus that I thought I must be on the right track. It was through thousands of wrong calculations that the Lord was kind enough to let me crack the mathematics for one other planet. Then it was a matter of filling in the others. (Not a trivial task.)
I am indebted to Danavir Gosvami. I should also thank Dr. Nick Lomb, the Curator of Astronomy at the Powerhouse Museum for kindly supplying me the greatest declinations to the main planets.
We have shown how the circumference of the moon is derived. In the Srimad Bhagavatam the next text after discussing the moon is Canto 5, Ch. 22, text 11:
There are many stars located 2,000,000 yojanas [1,600,000] above the moon, they are fixed on the wheel of time, and there are twenty-eight important stars, headed by Abhijit. (Abhijit is a star in the constellations.)
Here is the math to derive the constellations:
Moon 709,558,416.2 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000 + 800,000 + 1,600,000) =.058,141,463 times 864,000,000 divide by 8.9 times 360 = 2,031,946,146
The axle of the Sun is 31,500,000 and we are to add 1,600,000 miles to it. We have already added 800,000 to it for the moon. We divide by 8.9 because if you are standing on the equator of Earth, the constellations extend to the north approx 8.9 degrees and to the south approx 8.9 degrees.
Later we shall address Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the Seven Sages. For now we shall begin with the circumference of the Seven Sages (later we shall show the math on how to derive this number) and show how to derive Dhruvaloka.
Circumference of the Seven Sages is 1,386,038,221 divide by 360 divide by (31,500,000+800,000+1,600,000+(5 X 1,600,000) + 8,800,000 + 10,400,000 =.063,013,194 times 2,031,946,146 = 128,039,417.2 divide by 90 =1,422,660.192 times 360 = 512,157,669 the circumference of Dhruvaloka.
The number 90 is used as declination for Dhruva, as Dhruva is located in the center northern topward position of the universe. He is in line with Meru at the south.
Earth is out to the side from middle so modern astronomers, not thinking that the universe has a "design", calculate from Earth. In this way they calculate the North Star or pole star as 89.1 degrees or something like that. Bhagavatam apparently calculates from the center of the universe, which is Dhruva, even though Dhruva may or may not be visible to us.
Because this was once the prevailing view of the universe, in the course of my studies I found many statements alluding to Earth being near or in the center of the universe.
In fact, a great amount of information has been handed down through time in various scriptures explaining the constellations as being the home of demigods and angels and of the existence of a second earthly dimension below this one.
Gradually over time the factual history of that ancient information slipped away with the advancement of Kali-yuga and the introduction of modern atheistic science and technologies however, it was once held as true by the most erudite philosophers, astronomers and great sages. As late as Descarte we find him discussing the constellations as an area of divine beings.
Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam Part one
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
On April 27, 1976, Srila Prabhupada wrote Bhakti Svarupa Damodara Maharaja, "So now all you must carefully study the details of the Fifth Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc., then it will be very powerful propaganda."
At first glance, the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam deals only with a picturesque vision of the universe. While working with Danavir Gosvami Maharaja and his team in India on deciphering this valuable text, I became convinced that there had to be a mathematical formula to unlock the 5th Canto's mystery. If you will take a few minutes to read this article you will begin to understand the thrill of discovering what is contained in these cryptic verses.
Sun, Moon and Rahu
Part One - Rahu
At the official website for NASA you may scroll down and find a section labeled Orbital Parameters. Scroll down to Inclination to the Equator (deg). http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/pla.....nfact.html
You will find here 18.28-28.58. This is called declination. If you have a globe and you draw a line around its circumference that is 0 degrees.
Either side of that line, any point you make will be on some degree of the ball. On this website NASA says that the degree of the Moon's travel is from 18.28 degrees to 28.58 degrees. And sometimes he goes as much as 28.58 degrees. The Sun goes only to approx. 23.5 degrees.
The meaning of this is that as the Moon travels back and forth across the equator it never goes to less than 18.28 degrees. In the Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 24, text 2 we find the following:
The sun globe, which is a source of heat, extends for 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles]. The moon extends for 20,000 yojanas [160,000 miles], and Rahu extends for 30,000 yojanas [240,000 miles]...
Before we proceed to show the incredible accuracy of the Srimad Bhagavatam we must know something about the size of the Earth. The modern calculation of the Earth is 24,902 miles in circumference. Divide this number by 360 to know what each degree would be separately.
24,902 divided by 360 = 69.172222 We must also know that there are 60 minutes in an hour and 60 seconds in a minute and 24 hours in a day.
The Bhagavatam verse gives the timing of the eclipses down to the second. The Vedas also divide the day into 86,400 seconds, into minutes of sixty seconds.
It all works out the same whether you use minutes or muhutas (forty-eight minutes is a muhuta) or hour. The seconds are exactly identical because the unit of 86,400 seconds a day is the same.
These particular calculations are for measuring three different things which science (modern) agrees with. 86,400 divided by 60 divided by 60 equals 24. 24 hours of sixty minutes containing sixty seconds.
And we must know similarly that degrees on a circle also can be measured in this way. We shall begin with Rahu. This means in this case the lowest degree to the equator. (The moon travels from zero to 18.28 at its lowest and 0 to 28.58 at its highest.)
The figure of the size of Dhruvaloka is 512,157,669. Dhruvaloka is said to be a planet at the extreme north of the universe. How we derive the figure for Dhruvaloka we shall show later. The 5th Canto is a precise mathematical puzzle with interlocking parts.
The last number mentioned in the Bhagavatam in a previous chapter was for Dhruvaloka. So we utilize Dhruvaloka for our next mathematical problem.
512,157,669 divided by 240,000 =2,133.990288. Square this (multiply number by itself) = 4,553,914.547. Now divide by 60, divide by 60 again. And divide by a single degree of the earth 69.172=18.28734458.
What did the NASA website say? It said 18.28 Moon Fact Sheet http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/pla.....nfact.html
Part Two - Length of Sun's eclipse
Utilizing again data which can be found by googling eclipse or googling length of eclipses, we learn that there are two main eclipses. There is a lunar eclipse, and there is a solar eclipse. Both of these eclipses have been timed by modern science. Would you be surprised to learn that their exact times are found in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam?
Again we begin with the number of miles around Dhruvaloka. (We shall show how to get this number later.) And we follow the instructions found in Canto 5, Ch. 24, text 2 of Srimad Bhagavatam.
512,157,669 divide by 80,000 = 6,401.970863. Square this number (multiply it by itself) = 40,985,230.92. Now divide by the minutes of an eclipse of the sun which if you google it, you will find is 25,214.
25,214 is 7 minutes and 14 seconds or 7 times 60 times 60 plus 14. So again we divide 40,985,230.92 by 25,214=1,625.495. Now divide that by a single degree of the earth 1,625.495, divide by 69.172=23.499.
The length of the longest possible solar eclipse then is approx. 7 minutes 14 seconds. At least the Srimad Bhagavatam and modern science think so.
Part Three - The length of a lunar eclipse
We are showing that ancient astronomers were far from ignorant about the most modern calculations of the Sun and Moon.
The longest lunar eclipse is estimated on various sites you can google. Here is how we derive this figure from Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Ch. 24, text 2:
First we take the number of miles circumference of the planet Dhruvaloka and begin – 512,157,669 divide by 160,000 = 3,200.985431. Now we square that number (multiply the number by itself) = 10,246,307.73. Now divide this number by the minutes in a lunar eclipse, which is 359,496.
This number 359,496 is 99.86 minutes. Or 98.86 times 60 times 60 = 359,496. So we divide 10246307.73 by 359496 = 28.5.
Of course my number for Dhruva could be off a fraction or my number for the circumference of the earth, but we see how so very accurate the Srimad Bhagavatam is. We have an accurate measurement of the Moon's lowest declination.
We have an accurate time of solar eclipse. And we have an accurate time of lunar eclipse. At first, it may escape us how much has been revealed in this one verse.
We have learned the movement of the Moon without spending a moment surveying the stars. We have learned the size and shape of the earth without experiment. We have learned the length of lunar and solar eclipses without timing them. And how did the ancients time these things without watches?
It appears such revelations as these put a hole in the theory that mankind is descended from primitive men. Modern Science has not improved a fraction on these conclusions. One wonders what other amazing information is to be found in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam.
Compiled by Mayesa dasa, edited by Gauragopala dasa.
On April 27, 1976, Srila Prabhupada wrote Bhakti Svarupa Damodara Maharaja, "So now all you must carefully study the details of the Fifth Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc., then it will be very powerful propaganda."
At first glance, the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam deals only with a picturesque vision of the universe. While working with Danavir Gosvami Maharaja and his team in India on deciphering this valuable text, I became convinced that there had to be a mathematical formula to unlock the 5th Canto's mystery. If you will take a few minutes to read this article you will begin to understand the thrill of discovering what is contained in these cryptic verses.
Sun, Moon and Rahu
Part One - Rahu
At the official website for NASA you may scroll down and find a section labeled Orbital Parameters. Scroll down to Inclination to the Equator (deg). http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/pla.....nfact.html
You will find here 18.28-28.58. This is called declination. If you have a globe and you draw a line around its circumference that is 0 degrees.
Either side of that line, any point you make will be on some degree of the ball. On this website NASA says that the degree of the Moon's travel is from 18.28 degrees to 28.58 degrees. And sometimes he goes as much as 28.58 degrees. The Sun goes only to approx. 23.5 degrees.
The meaning of this is that as the Moon travels back and forth across the equator it never goes to less than 18.28 degrees. In the Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Chapter 24, text 2 we find the following:
The sun globe, which is a source of heat, extends for 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles]. The moon extends for 20,000 yojanas [160,000 miles], and Rahu extends for 30,000 yojanas [240,000 miles]...
Before we proceed to show the incredible accuracy of the Srimad Bhagavatam we must know something about the size of the Earth. The modern calculation of the Earth is 24,902 miles in circumference. Divide this number by 360 to know what each degree would be separately.
24,902 divided by 360 = 69.172222 We must also know that there are 60 minutes in an hour and 60 seconds in a minute and 24 hours in a day.
The Bhagavatam verse gives the timing of the eclipses down to the second. The Vedas also divide the day into 86,400 seconds, into minutes of sixty seconds.
It all works out the same whether you use minutes or muhutas (forty-eight minutes is a muhuta) or hour. The seconds are exactly identical because the unit of 86,400 seconds a day is the same.
These particular calculations are for measuring three different things which science (modern) agrees with. 86,400 divided by 60 divided by 60 equals 24. 24 hours of sixty minutes containing sixty seconds.
And we must know similarly that degrees on a circle also can be measured in this way. We shall begin with Rahu. This means in this case the lowest degree to the equator. (The moon travels from zero to 18.28 at its lowest and 0 to 28.58 at its highest.)
The figure of the size of Dhruvaloka is 512,157,669. Dhruvaloka is said to be a planet at the extreme north of the universe. How we derive the figure for Dhruvaloka we shall show later. The 5th Canto is a precise mathematical puzzle with interlocking parts.
The last number mentioned in the Bhagavatam in a previous chapter was for Dhruvaloka. So we utilize Dhruvaloka for our next mathematical problem.
512,157,669 divided by 240,000 =2,133.990288. Square this (multiply number by itself) = 4,553,914.547. Now divide by 60, divide by 60 again. And divide by a single degree of the earth 69.172=18.28734458.
What did the NASA website say? It said 18.28 Moon Fact Sheet http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/pla.....nfact.html
Part Two - Length of Sun's eclipse
Utilizing again data which can be found by googling eclipse or googling length of eclipses, we learn that there are two main eclipses. There is a lunar eclipse, and there is a solar eclipse. Both of these eclipses have been timed by modern science. Would you be surprised to learn that their exact times are found in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam?
Again we begin with the number of miles around Dhruvaloka. (We shall show how to get this number later.) And we follow the instructions found in Canto 5, Ch. 24, text 2 of Srimad Bhagavatam.
512,157,669 divide by 80,000 = 6,401.970863. Square this number (multiply it by itself) = 40,985,230.92. Now divide by the minutes of an eclipse of the sun which if you google it, you will find is 25,214.
25,214 is 7 minutes and 14 seconds or 7 times 60 times 60 plus 14. So again we divide 40,985,230.92 by 25,214=1,625.495. Now divide that by a single degree of the earth 1,625.495, divide by 69.172=23.499.
The length of the longest possible solar eclipse then is approx. 7 minutes 14 seconds. At least the Srimad Bhagavatam and modern science think so.
Part Three - The length of a lunar eclipse
We are showing that ancient astronomers were far from ignorant about the most modern calculations of the Sun and Moon.
The longest lunar eclipse is estimated on various sites you can google. Here is how we derive this figure from Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, Ch. 24, text 2:
First we take the number of miles circumference of the planet Dhruvaloka and begin – 512,157,669 divide by 160,000 = 3,200.985431. Now we square that number (multiply the number by itself) = 10,246,307.73. Now divide this number by the minutes in a lunar eclipse, which is 359,496.
This number 359,496 is 99.86 minutes. Or 98.86 times 60 times 60 = 359,496. So we divide 10246307.73 by 359496 = 28.5.
Of course my number for Dhruva could be off a fraction or my number for the circumference of the earth, but we see how so very accurate the Srimad Bhagavatam is. We have an accurate measurement of the Moon's lowest declination.
We have an accurate time of solar eclipse. And we have an accurate time of lunar eclipse. At first, it may escape us how much has been revealed in this one verse.
We have learned the movement of the Moon without spending a moment surveying the stars. We have learned the size and shape of the earth without experiment. We have learned the length of lunar and solar eclipses without timing them. And how did the ancients time these things without watches?
It appears such revelations as these put a hole in the theory that mankind is descended from primitive men. Modern Science has not improved a fraction on these conclusions. One wonders what other amazing information is to be found in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam.
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